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Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Volvo S80, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac STS, Sedan
#4966 of 10348 Re: Gaudy Design [hpowders]
Nov 16, 2005 (7:58 am)
Was it you that described how you felt about the rear end of the M45. The first time I saw this car was in Automobile magazine July 2004, an article about the new 2005 RL, the 2005 Cadillac STS, and the 2006 Infiniti M45. From that point on in those great pictures I thought the Infiniti design was way ugly. You always like to give a new design time to acclimate to the eye so I held off making any comments about it. Now that the M's have been on the road for a half year you see them occasionally. Came up behind one at a light recently and its something that I'm sorry to say hasn't changed. To me it's still an overwhelmingly gaudy taillight display!
#4967 of 10348 Re: Movin' On Up [markcincinnati]
Nov 16, 2005 (8:02 am)
CR has 6 million subscribers. New auto sales are usually around 16 million a month, so if every single CR subscriber made a decision based on CR reports, the best possible case for CR influence on car buying is 38%. Only about 1\6 of CR subscribers actually respond to the reliability survey however, and so if only those people care enough to use CR in their buying decisions, CR's influence on total sales drops to just 6%. Even if 500K people buy the "new cars" issue without being subscribers and use it to buy a car, CR still is under 10%.
Also completely bogus and unscientific, but slightly less so than your findings
#4968 of 10348 Re: BMW 530i or Infiniti M35 Sport??????? [jo2]
Nov 16, 2005 (8:22 am)
Another factor is how long you want to drive the car. I felt comfortable buying the Lexus for the long-term but didn't with the BMW so I would only consider leasing it. Fortunately BMW is well aware of this and offers subsidized interest rates to rent their cars plus their "free" (yeah right) maintenance. Lexus doesn't see the need to do the same, so their interest rates are not great.
I was somewhere in-between with the M. I was unsure about buying for the long-term and their interest rates were between BMW and Lexus. I decided to lease for 42 months and let Infiniti take all the resale risks.
By the way, residual values are based on MSRP. Because Lexus has such a wide spread between MSRP and invoice they can offer much larger discounts. If you took the lease purchase option price and then calculated the residual value based on the actual selling price you would find that the 5-series, M and GS all have about the same value. This is pretty close to being an actual fact - it's easy enough to generate your own numbers to verify. Companies have a vested interested in perpetuating their strong resale values myth.
#4969 of 10348 Re: The reverse ain't true [hpowders]
Nov 16, 2005 (8:27 am)
When I was comparing the M vs the 5 series about 6 months ago, when asked at 2 different Infiniti dealerships what else I was considering, when I mentioned the 5 series all I got was a speechless look of resignation from the 2 salespeople.
Unfortunately, the BMW arrogance springs from the fact that at this time they can afford to be.
Hmm....I thought I had the opposite experience when doing the same shopping. Maybe I just couldn't recognize their speechless look of resignation? Interesting fact though.
#4970 of 10348 Re: The reverse ain't true [hpowders]
Nov 16, 2005 (8:30 am)
when I mentioned the 5 series all I got was a speechless look of resignation from the 2 salespeople
Are you sure you aren't confusing resignation with sympathy?
There is a difference (big) between arrogance and confidence. It sounds like that particular BMW salesman was more defensive than anything else.
Here in Grand Rapids, I found more arrogance at the Lexus dealer than the BMW dealer when shopping the M against the GS and 5 (sorry, Merc, I didn't step into the MB dealership)
#4971 of 10348 Re: Movin' On Up [markcincinnati]
Nov 16, 2005 (9:33 am)
I do believe CR appeals primarily, but certainly not exclusively, to extremely conservative folks who mainly "want to get their money's worth."
I have no way of really knowing, but I think that there are probably more Honda/Toyota owners reading CR than Audi or BMW owners.
#4972 of 10348 Re: The reverse ain't true [docnukem]
Nov 16, 2005 (9:39 am)
No it was that "lost another loan to Ditech" type look.
After I left the Infiniti dealerships, once the door closed behind me they probably put on that exasperated look ala James Finlayson in those priceless L & H films, and let out a resounding DOH!!!
#4973 of 10348 Re: Will the BMW Dealer Arrogance Ever End? [tayl0rd]
Nov 16, 2005 (9:53 am)
Real world: I've never had less than 19 mpg over 4.5 months of "leasedomship" of my 545 and that was about 70% city, 30% highway.
I have had a high of 23 mpg which was about 80% highway, 20% city.
On the highway exclusively my mpg has been as high as 27.
15 fillups. Average comes out to 20.4 mpg.
I call those statistics an absolutely virtuoso performance for a V-8 and really shows the incredible genius of the engineers at BMW.
Let's face it, the V-6 Infiniti M35 doesn't even approach those kind of numbers!*
Upon further research and reflection:
*Correction to the above: the Infiniti M35 and the 545 are approximately equivalent in mpg.
#4974 of 10348 Re: Will the BMW Dealer Arrogance Ever End? [hpowders]
Nov 16, 2005 (9:59 am)
Actually, the V6 M does approach (but not quite reach) those numbers. I have the AWD and get about 17 to your 19 in predominantly city. When cruising on the highway, the instantaneous readout at 80 (with cruise and on a flat stretch) is right at 25. Now, is the instantaneous readout as accurate as the computer-calculated average? Probably not, but it is close. With the higher revs in only five gears and 4000# of car (we won't get into the passenger), that's okay with me. I'd like more, but am not willing to give up the AWD (there is snow falling as I type).
Nov 16, 2005 (10:05 am)
Yup. I actually looked up the stats. on the M35.
It seems the M35 and 545 are just about equivalent in mpg.
I will change it in my post above.
Here's another nice mess I've gotten myself into.