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#4890 of 10007 Re: There's always some way to rig the results. . . [lexusguy] by markcincinnati Nov 11, 2005 (12:19 pm)
Replying to: lexusguy (Nov 11, 2005 8:56 am) I felt so unclean after this event -- I dutifully took the clipboard they gave us with the form for the test of each car and filled it out.   This was before I knew this was a Cadillac "sponsored" event.   Now, the "guys" from both C&D and R&T were there (but not any of the big names, of course) so while I tend to think the rigging was real, I also think it was done within the parameters that could be ordered off of the option list.   The Cadillac had had all the sport option boxes checked off, not so the BMW.   All the cars had about 2,000 miles on them, so while I guess there could be reasons to doubt the veracity of this "editor for a day" event -- I think it would be a slippery slope for C&D and R&T to put their names on such an event and have it be subsequently revealed that the cars tested were special "one off" versions rather than "available to all willing to custom order their cars."   Knowing what I know now just about the air pressure in my tires, I can think of plenty of ways to enhance the Cadillac and hobble the BMW with impunity. Replies to this message: nmdriver (Nov 11, 2005 8:49 pm)
#4891 of 10007 Re: There's always some way to rig the results. . . [dewey] by lexusguy Nov 11, 2005 (12:25 pm)
Replying to: dewey (Nov 11, 2005 11:34 am) Heh. You youngins! I learned on my Grandfather's '67 Galaxie 500. Replies to this message: warthog (Nov 12, 2005 3:33 am) jjacura (Nov 12, 2005 8:21 am)
#4892 of 10007 New Ford 3.5L V6 by jrock65 Nov 11, 2005 (1:44 pm)
http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0511/10/C01-377888.htm   "The engine and transmission have plenty of expansion room. The V-6 could easily be scaled up to deliver 300 horsepower and is designed to support turbocharging and direct injection, said Samardzich."   You guys think that this engine is going into the successor to the Lincoln LS? Replies to this message: lexusguy (Nov 11, 2005 10:56 pm)
#4893 of 10007 Re: There's always some way to rig the results. . . [dewey] by mexibec Nov 11, 2005 (7:53 pm)
Replying to: dewey (Nov 11, 2005 11:34 am) >If Honda sold a car like a 3 series I would say the hell with luxury badges and buy a Honda instead!   Would you buy a Z4 or an S2000? Why? Replies to this message: dewey (Nov 11, 2005 9:16 pm)
#4894 of 10007 Re: There's always some way to rig the results. . . [markcincinnati] by nmdriver Nov 11, 2005 (8:49 pm)
Replying to: markcincinnati (Nov 11, 2005 12:19 pm) I have to believe that the Cadi/BMW comparison was a fair comparison of a “sport” equipped Cadi vs. a standard 530i. I have driven all of the cars covered in this forum (multiple times) in an (as yet unsuccessful) attempt to find one that I wanted to buy. I always use a base comparison car when I do this so that I have a common frame of reference. Although I am not supposed to mention it on this forum, my reference standard is a $28,000 manual transmission 2005 Subaru GT Limited (fitted with 225 summer performance tires rather than the crap AS Bridgestones which come with the car).   I will admit that I am biased towards BMWs. From my first Alpina 1600 in 1967 through 1990 I always owned BMWs. That said, I really did not like the base, non-sport 530i. It floated. It wallowed in turns. The steering was scary at high speeds. The Subie whipped it. I am certain the sport-equipped Cadi did too. The fairer comparison would have been a 530i Sport.   Out of all the cars on this forum, the one I like best is the M35/M35x. I would probably rationalize the fact that they are thirsty. But, they are just flat too noisy – clearly noisier than my reference car which costs 2/3 as much. I wish they had more sound proofing and a taller 6th speed top gear.   But if you are driving the cars covered on this forum, you should also try a 330i. The Sport model, in particular is a real, classic BMW, without all of the electronic game nonsense (iDrive, Active Steering etc.) of the more expensive cars. It is quick, comfortable and really sweet to drive. My only problem: it is a size smaller than I was looking for, and I have not been able to get past the value proposition: a properly equipped 330i Sport or 330xi costs $41 to $42K. That is awfully close to a comparably-equipped base M35.
#4896 of 10007 Re: There's always some way to rig the results. . . [mexibec] by dewey Nov 11, 2005 (9:16 pm)
Replying to: mexibec (Nov 11, 2005 7:53 pm) I have not pondered such a choice since both the BMW Z4 and Honda S2000 do not suit my family lifestyle! That is why I have to settle for the compromise of a sport sedan/wagon !   But hypothetically if I was single or an empty nester I would pick the Honda S2000. Why? Because I love the idea of listening to its motorcycle pitch while reving between 6k to 9k rpm! I've heard the S2000 loves to rev. Also the S2000 is cheaper than the Z4!
#4897 of 10007 Re: New Ford 3.5L V6 [jrock65] by lexusguy Nov 11, 2005 (10:56 pm)
Replying to: jrock65 (Nov 11, 2005 1:44 pm) Yes. It may show up in the Zephyr as early as next year. The current LS is supposed to die off pretty soon. I'm pretty sure its replacement is going to be based on the AWD version of the Ford 500, itself borrowed from the Volvo S80.   Apparently DEW98 will continue, but only in the next Jag S-type, which will not get a shortened version of the aluminum XJ platform as previously planned.
#4898 of 10007 Re: There's always some way to rig the results. . . [lexusguy] by warthog Nov 12, 2005 (3:33 am)
Replying to: lexusguy (Nov 11, 2005 12:25 pm) Got all of you beat. I learned on my family's 1956 Chrysler Imperial. Now THAT was a back seat! Replies to this message: jjacura (Nov 12, 2005 8:21 am)
#4899 of 10007 Re: There's always some way to rig the results. . . [warthog] by jjacura Nov 12, 2005 (8:21 am)
Replying to: warthog (Nov 12, 2005 3:33 am) Maybe I can find a way to post a picture of me with my first learner a '52 Chevy! It was a but I loved that car!

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