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Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Volvo S80, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac STS, Sedan
#4755 of 10348 Politically, er, well, almost incorrect. . .
Nov 04, 2005 (11:09 am)
I can't figure out why anybody would buy one of these LPS cars with an automatic transmission or without AWD.
-- signed: "Often Wrong, Never Uncertain"
And here I sits, with an auto trans, but at least AWD.
Few posters here, apparently, with BMW 5xi's and probably fewer too that have 5xi's with the row your own transmission.
Buyer's remorse? Well. . .maybe just a little. But, truth be told, I have been able to test drive the 530xi automatic (Step-lag-tronic) and the transmission, at least, is about the same as my A6 3.2 automatic (Tip-lag-tronic).
When I drove the 530xi automatic, I came away thinking, "nice car," but not enough to make me switch from the Audi (this time.) The dilemma, of course, is with 31 months to go on my Audi lease, I wouldn't be in the market for about 26 months and the local BMW dealer says he will only customer order the 5xis with automatics -- none will be available for "stock" therefore no stick test drives. My luck, too, BMW will cave in just like Audi and Mercedes and basically withdraw the manual from the US market.
I drive my wife's 2005 3.0 X3 manual whenever possible and "I can't imagine why anyone would get one of these machines with the automatic."
I am in a minority probably a single digit minority.
Why bother getting one without a stick -- unless like me, you have no choice.
If anyone is offended by most of the comments made by most of us here, I would suggest taking a deep breath. A lot of us agree on a lot of things, a lot of us disagree on many things too.
We all know that there is very little objective going on here -- but the dialog is engaging and almost always entertaining.
Now go out and get a sport suspension equipped, AWD, manual transmission LPS car and apologize to the rest of us.
Sarcasm is so hard in these blogs:
Nov 04, 2005 (12:05 pm)
I have an Audi 2.7T [6-spd. man.] and while I know that a 540 handles better, I am so pleased to not see another A6 on the road every time I go driving. Call me an elitist, but the last thing I want is to drive up in a car that is as common as Corollas or Civics.
Here in Houston, BMW's are the "Chevrolets" of this decade. They are everywhere. This in spite of the hideous "bangled" design. Yes, I know . . . forgive me, as I'm stepping on toes here, going out on a judgement "limb" but, as I have an advanced degree in design, I think I'm entitled :O)
#4757 of 10348 Re: V8 Sales [drtravel]
Nov 04, 2005 (12:08 pm)
Well, I would say that if 40% of the M inventory is V8's then they definitely sell more V8's than BMW. Only about 16% of 5 series buyers buy 545/550s and a tiny percent buy M5's. I guess I'm not sure what the point of the question is though. I can say though that around where I live I see a lot more M35x's than M45's. I am surprised that Infiniti makes and sells so many V8's. I would think most buyers in this market would want V6's, but I guess I'm wrong.
#4758 of 10348 Re: Politically, er, well, almost incorrect. . . [markcincinnati]
Nov 04, 2005 (12:21 pm)
The dealer may choose not to have 530xi MTs in inventory because of low general demand, but I dont think BMW will take them away from the US market. Remember, BMW is the company that caved to the US market and is offering a MT in the M5. Europe doesnt get one. I think BMW customers are the people most likely to want a MT in their cars.
#4759 of 10348 Re: Politically, er, well, almost incorrect. . . [lexusguy]
Nov 04, 2005 (12:50 pm)
I generally agree with this, but I also wonder, in part, if this just isn't wishful thinking on "our" part.
True, the S4 (alone) Audi does still offer the MT, but a quick look at the inventory here at the Cincinnati dealers will find few manual transmissions. OK, OK, there are one or two TT's that have the manuals -- but TT sales are in the basement, and will remain so until the new body style, I would imagine.
Does the A6 3.2 quattro come with a stick (option) in Europe? Anyone? Anyone?
Is the lack of manuals in luxury PERFORMANCE cars due to the customers or has this just been forced upon us by a generation or two of auto only youngsters?
I took my allroad 6spd manual to the car wash and the kid couldn't pull it into the wash bay -- the smell of cooking clutch filled the air, until I personally rescued this young man.
As nicely as possible I questioned his manhood. I am a bad person. I know.
#4760 of 10348 Re: V8 Sales [drtravel]
Nov 04, 2005 (1:34 pm)
One other thing I'd add is that the M is cheaper than the 5, and that would come into play here as well. Let's leave the M5 out of the discussion because it's way more expensive than the M, but if you liked the 5 and M roughly equally, and you could get the M with a V8 for the same price as the 530 wouldn't you go with the V8 equipped car? I know not everyone would, but I sure would. No offense to anyone that does like it, but I don't happen to like the M as much as the 5 so what I'm saying wouldn't apply to me. But there are a lot of people that seem torn with the decision between the two.
#4761 of 10348 Re: V8 Sales [rich545]
Nov 04, 2005 (3:48 pm)
Rich....I was trying to follow your preference because you stated you would go for the V-8 in the M if it was priced the same as the 530 ...and then stated but you personally don't like the M so it wouldn't apply to you and it almost sounded like you were a used car guy pitching a theory you really don't believe in. you really do like BMW best ....Don't you??
#4762 of 10348 Re: V8 Sales [jjacura]
Nov 04, 2005 (3:56 pm)
No, I said if you liked the cars roughly the same it would make sense to choose the car with the V8 if it cost the sameas a V6 equipped car. At least, I think that's what I said. It's what I meant. Oh, you can be rest assured, I like BMW best (but I must admit that Audi is creeping into the mix!).
#4763 of 10348 BMW 550i Reviews?
Nov 04, 2005 (4:44 pm)
Anybody know where I can find these? Some of the threads here have mentioned reviews and 0-60 timings, etc. but I have not been able to find a single review. For BMW's, which are probably the most-reviewed cars on the planet, I find it really strange that this model is supposedly shipping and no tester has tried one.
#4764 of 10348 I'll take some of whatever he's having....
Nov 04, 2005 (11:25 pm)
Did anyone catch this review of the Lincoln Zephyr? I admit I haven't seen one, let alone drive one, but the review is so gushing that if you changed every reference to the car to "Ferrari" it might still be considered over-flattering. Better get ready to trade in your M5s and E55s!
First Drive: 2006 Lincoln Zephyr