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Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Volvo S80, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac STS, Sedan
#3998 of 10348 Re: What the heck. . . [lexusguy]
Sep 29, 2005 (10:47 pm)
Well it may be a problem when AMG cars are compared to cars like that. Car and Driver did the same test and the Bentley came in last. In their test is was a plain CL600, not an AMG model that came in second to the Ferrari.
This is true about being able to tell an AMG apart from regular Mercedes for most people, but then again the Germans have never been about flash like the Italians or British. Ferrari and Aston wear their designs on their sleeves while German cars have always been more subtle you-won't-know-what-hit-you type cars. I guess I don't see a problem with that because they've always been this way. It only seems to matter in the most rarest of instances or comparos, otherwise AMG cars have never been more successful. German cars, as good as they look/feel aren't ever going to win the exclusivity battle with British and Italian cars.
I do hear what you're saying though. One way I think they could give the AMG cars a little more flair is to go back to the wider fenders that MB used back on the E500 of a decade ago. That car had a stance that was unmistakable. I suspect this would be shot down for cost reasons today. That E500 was a 80K car back in 1994!
Another way would be to offer a little more in the way of custom interiors. I think this would go a long way towards making them a little more special or different from regular Mercedes.
IMO the Aston-Martin DB9 is the best looking car in production today, easily better looking than any Mercedes, Bentley, and (gulp) or Ferrari.
Funny MT said that about the CL, but I clearly see VW parts in the Bentley, though it does have a gorgeously appointed interior.
Sep 30, 2005 (3:12 am)
I've always thought if I could have only one vehicle, the S4 Avant just might be the one I'd pick. If ever there were wolves in sheeps' clothing, that's one of them. Plus, Audi wagons are up there on my list as some of the best styled vehicles in existence... the previous generation anyway... before they grew that lame goatee.
Sep 30, 2005 (7:55 am)
They're a good crew, by and large. More level-headed and open-minded than most of the saffron-robed crowd who tend to gather around one brand or another!
#4001 of 10348 Re: . [designman]
Sep 30, 2005 (8:10 am)
Goatee! Tee hee!
Yes, the Auto Union retro look is one I wish they'd kept in the archives, frankly. Only mitigating factor here is that they are certainly not alone. "Heritage" my eye. The new Benz 3-point cake-pan in the middle, aero snout: same deal, IMO. And there are others.
My take: with 95% done so right (IMO, of course), I can overlook the last 5%. I'll just make sure to walk around the back of the car...
#4002 of 10348 Re: What the heck. . . [merc1]
Sep 30, 2005 (9:28 am)
MT's conclusions were a little strange. They said that everybody loved the 612, and complained that the engine in the Bentley sits entirely in front of the front axle and high in the chassis, and requires AWD and a lot of electronics to counter act the inherent physics problems of using a platform designed for the Phaeton in a sports car.
Then they gave the Bentley first place. Thats why I dont subscribe to MT anymore, they have the same problem that Edmunds does in comparison tests, the results seem to all point one way, but then they pick another car entirely.
#4003 of 10348 Re: . [wale_bate1]
May 03, 2005 (8:50 pm)
Now back to our regularly scheduled program......
"So between the S, the 7, the LS and the A8, where do the gang's best feelings reside? "
Answer: A8 but shaken (leased), not stirred (bought).
#4004 of 10348 Re: . [carnaught]
Sep 30, 2005 (10:57 am)
"Answer: A8 but shaken (leased), not stirred (bought)..."
Oh my, yes. Good call there.
Actually, both my wife and I entertain certain legitimate tax advantages to leasing, so I do it anyway, but, even on my little pocket Lexus, which last year enjoyed a tow and a two-week stay in Pleasanton due to a total electrical meltdown (wanna know my feelings on the RX330?), I'd prefer never to be out of warranty.
I read the Autoweek blurb on the new S (just as a recent example), and the thrust to make it the ultimate techno-geek's marvel. I'm not one to faun over gizmosis to begin with, but, oh, the thought of the needless cost to fix non-essentials out of warranty! Electronics and electricals have eclipsed mechanicals in diagnostic and repair costs, IIRC.
So yes, IMO, leasing can be doubly advantageous in this class of car.
Sep 30, 2005 (1:10 pm)
You actually made me go to the dictionary -- I thought I had wasted 12 years of public school and a Master's degree, whew! Faun? Fawn is, I suspect (I hope), the word you intended.
Talk about gizmosis, though, my A6 with navigation and a built in telephone and frankly every option but the power rear shade has 82 buttons, switches, levers, dials and moveable switchgear to deal with -- NOT INCLUDING the steering wheel itself. If the S is to make it the ultimate tech weenie's marvel, I shudder at the number of buttons it has to push.
I say thank god for voice command capabilities.
#4006 of 10348 Re: . [markcincinnati]
Sep 30, 2005 (1:25 pm)
Thanks, Mark. Just so's I don't end up pumping my breaks to avoid braking the legs of a dear to save my own deer life!
#4007 of 10348 Re: . [wale_bate1]
Sep 30, 2005 (2:34 pm)
...or you could continue to fawn over the thought of leasing the new S4 Avant which when repeated 3 times by Merc could become a post hypnotic suggestion to you. (Why does that car remind me of Dustin Hoffman and Tom Cruise....HMMMM!)