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#3904 of 10007 Re: New M35x [armen6] by markcincinnati Sep 12, 2005 (1:08 pm)
Replying to: armen6 (Sep 11, 2005 7:25 pm) You are entitled to your opinion.   I looked up the word, "hooey," to make sure it applied however.   It does.   I ordered an "M35X" because at the time I felt it was of very high value and the Audi A6 3.2 was priced out of touch with reality and there was no 530xi at the moment.   The M35X is a fine car, perhaps an excellent or great car.   I would be happy to have one. It was my second choice, however.   Your choice IS best for you. The "M" has hardly separated itself from the the other "boring" brands -- indeed IMHO it is the poster child for "boring" (in terms of its styling.)   Superior? Well, while I am certainly NOT against the M35X, I would have to say that the Acura RL, Audi q, BMW x, Mercedes 4Matics and even the Cadillac STS (AWD) are not bad cars. These cars, in many respects are more similar than dissimilar.   You should enjoy your car, be proud of your car and I hope the ownership experience is fantastic for you.   Perhaps rather than declare the rest of us LPS owners of something OTHER than an M as having chosen "inferior" cars, you could regale us with stories about your vehicle without resorting to blanket statements.   OK, so the M isn't boring to you -- and I already said I would take one -- but there are quite possibly others who will have strong disagreement and will fight tooth and nail the statements such as the ones where their choices have been put down.   The LPS cars we discuss are not carbon copies of each other, but in terms of their overall features, functions and driving experience the differences are real and are subtle.   I know that my Audi A6 3.2 is the best and it has separated itself from all these other lesser cars that have the audacity to claim LPS status. Or words to that effect. See? (Oh BTW, that last bit: just kidding!) Replies to this message: jjacura (Sep 12, 2005 1:19 pm) lexusguy (Sep 12, 2005 8:57 pm) ksoman (Sep 13, 2005 6:11 am) lexusguy (Sep 13, 2005 7:50 am) and 3 more... bdr127 (Sep 13, 2005 12:23 pm)
#3905 of 10007 Re: New M35x [markcincinnati] by jjacura Sep 12, 2005 (1:19 pm)
Replying to: markcincinnati (Sep 12, 2005 1:08 pm) I would concur...the word "Hooey" does apply!
#3906 of 10007 Re: New M35x [armen6] by msu79gt82 Sep 12, 2005 (1:28 pm)
Replying to: armen6 (Sep 11, 2005 7:25 pm) I have only driven it home and docked in the garage. I will continue to use my '00 Maxima until I am ready to part with her, a loyal and faithful partner for five years.     I've never heard of anyone buying a car to save for later I mean, don't get me wrong, I stock up on a lot of stuff at the grocery store when it goes on sale - but I've never stocked up on cars before Good luck on your M when you finally get around to driving it (before the '07s arrive I hope).
#3907 of 10007 what's up with that? by hpowders Sep 12, 2005 (2:02 pm)
With my 545i I get 20 mpg in combined city highway driving and 27 mpg on the open highway from the unbelievable BMW 8. What kind of mpg have you been getting in your superior M 35 with the Infiniti 6? 15-17 mpg? If my 545i is boring, give me excess of it!   Replies to this message: freddybb (Sep 13, 2005 6:08 am) drtravel (Sep 13, 2005 7:56 am) hpowders (Sep 13, 2005 1:14 pm)
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#3909 of 10007 Re: New M35x [markcincinnati] by lexusguy Sep 12, 2005 (8:57 pm)
Replying to: markcincinnati (Sep 12, 2005 1:08 pm) I agree. The GS is probably the least entertaining car to drive in this class, (well except for maybe the base STS that I believe was bashed in C&D) but this is a class of VERY entertaining cars. Fortunately it sounds like Lexus has gotten the IS350 right. C&D had a few nit-picks in their review, but they did not bash VDIM other than to mention that there is no off switch. Its 306hp was good for a class busting 5.1 second 0-60 sprint with an autobox, beating the G35 6MTs 298hp by a good second or so. It sounds like the IS is packing BMW horses and not Infiniti ponies. I'm itching for a test-flog. Replies to this message: ksoman (Sep 13, 2005 6:11 am) lexusguy (Sep 13, 2005 7:50 am) ksoman (Sep 13, 2005 10:14 am) and 2 more... bdr127 (Sep 13, 2005 12:23 pm)
#3910 of 10007 Re: what's up with that? [hpowders] by freddybb Sep 13, 2005 (6:08 am)
Replying to: hpowders (Sep 12, 2005 2:02 pm) And I am getting an incredible 30-33 mpg on the highway in 6th gear with my manual transmission BMW 530xi. My average over about 400 miles for the past four gas tank fill-ups is about 24-25 mpg -- very respectable for an AWD car.   The M is a nice car, but it was a clear second choice for me to the BMW 530xi I bought (first time BMW owner) because of the lack of a manual transmission, the awful gas mileage, the blah styling, and the overwrought interior with the canted-to-the-top console.   Oh, and BTW, the extra 25 HP in the M35x does NOT make it faster than the 530xi because the M weighs almost 400 lbs more than the 530xi. In a previous post I had mentioned that the lbs per HP that each car has to move are pretty much exactly the same. So they are both equally fast, and the BMW has a MUCH higher fuel efficiency -- go figure!!   Every once in a while I have to put out a post like this after reading a hundred posts from M owners claiming they have the best car on the planet. Not true, just personal opinions like mine, of course!
#3911 of 10007 Re: New M35x [lexusguy] by ksoman Sep 13, 2005 (6:11 am)
Replying to: lexusguy (Sep 12, 2005 8:57 pm) Thought the chances of me buying the GS are almost close to 0, i've to say, it looks far better than either of it's japanese neighbors. If you were to ask me a year and half ago which car excited me the most, it'd have to have been an RL, but, right now, sadly none of the 3 japanese cars stir my soul. i can bet, they will not break for twice as long or maybe 4 times a long as any of the 3 german contenders, from personal experience. I personally am unlikely to want a 8 cylinder in this category, i'd lie if i said i dont love power, but, my sanity prevents me from buying gas guzzlers and i honestly can say i'm one of the few who despite a family and two incomes still has never bought an SUV or dont plan to buy one in the known future.   Now of course, my 40 year birthday gift, which comes in 7 more years is decided. Well it was decided when i was 13... It is a jaguar XJR van dan plas or whatever the long version is with supercharger is... that is of course assuming jaguar is still around. of course, if i was to buy purely for "fun to drive" and "as passionate as a lover" reasons, then it has to be a 750i or whatever is the equivalent at that point (and not the longer version).   But since I've 7 more years to go for 40, i'm still in the sub 7/S category... and who knows, by the time I'm 40, gas might be so expensive that maybe BMW might be marketing the 730i in the US again??? hahahaha   either ways, today, my ksoman id on edmunds turns 7 years. I'd another id for about 6~8 months prior to this id, but this id still made the 7 years. So i hope in another 7 years, i'll still be using this id on edmunds, ocassionally contributing "nothing" to the forums and hopefully driving the car i dreamed of since i was 13...?   cheers! ksso Replies to this message: lexusguy (Sep 13, 2005 7:50 am) ksoman (Sep 13, 2005 10:14 am) hpowders (Sep 13, 2005 1:24 pm) lexusguy (Sep 13, 2005 3:04 pm) bdr127 (Sep 13, 2005 12:23 pm)
#3912 of 10007 0-60 by jrock65 Sep 13, 2005 (6:38 am)
"Oh, and BTW, the extra 25 HP in the M35x does NOT make it faster than the 530xi because the M weighs almost 400 lbs more than the 530xi."   In the only timed test so far that featured both the M35x and the 530xi, the M35x was half a second faster to 60 than the 530xi.   http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpcontainers/do/vdp/articleId=106555/pageNumber=9
#3913 of 10007 Re: New M35x [ksoman] by lexusguy Sep 13, 2005 (7:50 am)
Replying to: ksoman (Sep 13, 2005 6:11 am) I definitely like the GS better in person than I do in pictures, which make it look kind of tubby. The M35 is a little more anonymous, but I do prefer it to the looks of the RL and 5. I would like the A6, but I still havent warmed to the Cyrano de Bergerac nose.   I'll say it again, the logic of Lexus' engine juggling between the IS and GS still completely escapes me. If I were in charge, the IS would have the 3.0L as the base engine, and the 3.5L would come with a six-speed manual from day one. If Toyota doesnt have one thats suitable, buy one. I would also launch an IS350 AWD a year after the initial intro. Save the 2.5L for Japan and Europe.   The GS would intro with just one engine, a 306+hp GS350 and GS350 AWD. The GS400\430 has never sold well, and surprise!, the current one is not selling well. Lexus crippled the V6 version of the car (which makes for some 90% of sales) with a weakest in class engine, when they could've had the most powerful engine in class. Just skip the V8 until the 4.6L is ready. I doubt anybody would notice anyway.   I have to say, an XJR VP (or maybe a Super V8 Portfolio), is not the type of car I would expect a 13 year old kid to be drooling over. When I was 13, I wanted a 550 Speedster. Keep in mind that even with the highest end XJs you will still want to buy at least a 2 year old car. The blown Jags dont depreciate quite as badly as the NA versions, but the 1-3 year hit is still huge. Replies to this message: ksoman (Sep 13, 2005 10:14 am) hpowders (Sep 13, 2005 1:24 pm) lexusguy (Sep 13, 2005 3:04 pm)

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