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#3896 of 10006 Re: What do Germans know that we don't? [kdshapiro] by jrock65 Sep 09, 2005 (9:59 am)
Replying to: kdshapiro (Sep 09, 2005 9:57 am) And Asia in general. They love MB's and BMW's over there. Replies to this message: ksoman (Sep 09, 2005 12:51 pm) jlbl (Sep 27, 2005 4:04 am)
#3897 of 10006 Re: What do Germans know that we don't? [jrock65] by ksoman Sep 09, 2005 (12:51 pm)
Replying to: jrock65 (Sep 09, 2005 9:59 am) I agree with jrock.   I think outside Germany, the brand image of MB & BMW far outweighs Audi. Heck I've friends who live in UK who clamor for the E rather than either the 5 or the A6...   As such you see far too few A6 sized cars in europe, compared to the state-side. They are much more into the 3's and C & A4 & A3's... You do see a heck lot of A3's though, don't you?   As an A6 owner, though not the latest avatar of it, I'm simply not passionate about it's ownership. I like the overall wholesomeness of the entire package, and i think the interior is far more personable than most others despite the irritating excess of buttons and switches. However, it just doesn't make me passionate about it. Now of course, if the plethora of things that break doesn't reign in anytime soon, i'm looking to boot the thing out of my life.   on the other hand, i'm irritated as hell by the little issues and the # of trips i have to make to the dealer for the 3 series convertible. i'm pissed by the gremlins in my car. it also has a fairly boring interior. but man the delicious drive... now that's a car that makes me smile, just by firing up the lovely inline 6 engine and oh la la, the drive.... yumm yumm good.   ksso Replies to this message: jlbl (Sep 27, 2005 4:04 am)
#3898 of 10006 Re: What is the best LPS? [frisconick] by bw45sport Sep 09, 2005 (1:20 pm)
Replying to: frisconick (Sep 08, 2005 10:32 am) I won't bore you with the whole story but I own an '03 SL500. Most wonderful car I've ever owned. Most unreliable car I've ever owned. Local Sales Manager sympathized with me and called the car **expletive deleted** yet will do nothing to satisfy a 20 year customer. Regional Manager made promise to repurchase car and reneged. Same manager made promise to make payments for time car was in service. Reneged.    Prior to that owned a '00 CLK430. Not as unreliable as SL but still had plenty of visits to service for electrical problems.    When the current version of the C-Class was introduced over 30 percent of it's owners reported significant electrical problems within the first year of ownership.    The prior version of the ML-Class was the worst car Mercedes-Benz has ever put on the road. My local service advisor indicated that they could run a profitable service shop working on ML's alone. There were few of those vehicles that made it any significant time without electrical problems, window problems, and air conditioning problems.    The last E-Class? Sumptuous ride, wonderful materials, and for the most part very classy. Reliability? Ask the many frustrated E owners and you'll know the answer.    For almost three years now M-B has stated that they understood that they needed to return the quality of their vehicles to the standards they had set the previous 90-odd years. Long term reliability tests have not indicated that they have effectively done this. Rather than an improvement in quality, '04 vehicles actually showed more problems per vehicle than the '03's.    Perhaps the greatest indignity and the one I found most amusing was former CEO Jurgen Schrempp's adventure in attempting to drive back to the office in Mercedes-Benz's home city of Stuttgart. Mr. Schrempp found that the navigation system misguided him three straight times in his attempt to get to the office. It's sad that the navigation supplier couldn't manage to get the info right for M-B's home city, and it's even sadder that it took Mr. Schrempp three times to figure out it was wrong. I'm afraid the company has suffered from this same inability to recognize significant problems for some time now. It pains me to make these comments because I've respected what this company has done and had great experiences with M-B autos prior to the last two. I for one, however, will no longer pay premium prices to be their beta tester.
#3899 of 10006 Re: What do Germans know that we don't? [markcincinnati] by lexusguy Sep 09, 2005 (3:06 pm)
Replying to: markcincinnati (Sep 09, 2005 8:28 am) I would be curious to know how the A8 does in Germany vs. S and 7. In most areas of the world the A8 seems like it is the unwanted step child ridiculed by the BMW and Benz, no matter how good the A8 actually is.
#3900 of 10006 New M35x by armen6 Sep 11, 2005 (7:25 pm)
I picked up my new M35x this weekend. Got a very satisfying deal from a highly classy dealership in NJ. I have only driven it home and docked in the garage. I will continue to use my '00 Maxima until I am ready to part with her, a loyal and faithful partner for five years. I know the M will be a dramatic improvement to my Max, but my love for Nissans (had '90 240SX and '79 280Zx first car ever) led me to choose over the soft Lex and Accordesque RL. I know my choice is best and can't wait to roar up and down my block day after day in my new M. Infiniti has separated itself from the other boring brands in the LPS market and is superior to its BMW and Merc competitors. It will take a carmaker like Porsche or Mazrerati to make a car to compete with this new M. Replies to this message: jjacura (Sep 12, 2005 12:36 pm) markcincinnati (Sep 12, 2005 1:08 pm) jjacura (Sep 12, 2005 1:19 pm) lexusguy (Sep 12, 2005 8:57 pm) ksoman (Sep 13, 2005 6:11 am) and 5 more... msu79gt82 (Sep 12, 2005 1:28 pm)
#3903 of 10006 Re: New M35x [armen6] by jjacura Sep 12, 2005 (12:36 pm)
Replying to: armen6 (Sep 11, 2005 7:25 pm) I believe Porsche and if I may correctly spell Maserati for you, are in a class that the M can't touch and they have already made hundreds of cars that M can't compete with...IN MY Opinion. And also, you might find some others in this forum that believe their LPS choice, quite to the contrary IS not boring. I personally don't like the Infiniti design and would choose Acura, BMW, Lexus, and even Audi over Infiniti...but again IMO.
#3904 of 10006 Re: New M35x [armen6] by markcincinnati Sep 12, 2005 (1:08 pm)
Replying to: armen6 (Sep 11, 2005 7:25 pm) You are entitled to your opinion.   I looked up the word, "hooey," to make sure it applied however.   It does.   I ordered an "M35X" because at the time I felt it was of very high value and the Audi A6 3.2 was priced out of touch with reality and there was no 530xi at the moment.   The M35X is a fine car, perhaps an excellent or great car.   I would be happy to have one. It was my second choice, however.   Your choice IS best for you. The "M" has hardly separated itself from the the other "boring" brands -- indeed IMHO it is the poster child for "boring" (in terms of its styling.)   Superior? Well, while I am certainly NOT against the M35X, I would have to say that the Acura RL, Audi q, BMW x, Mercedes 4Matics and even the Cadillac STS (AWD) are not bad cars. These cars, in many respects are more similar than dissimilar.   You should enjoy your car, be proud of your car and I hope the ownership experience is fantastic for you.   Perhaps rather than declare the rest of us LPS owners of something OTHER than an M as having chosen "inferior" cars, you could regale us with stories about your vehicle without resorting to blanket statements.   OK, so the M isn't boring to you -- and I already said I would take one -- but there are quite possibly others who will have strong disagreement and will fight tooth and nail the statements such as the ones where their choices have been put down.   The LPS cars we discuss are not carbon copies of each other, but in terms of their overall features, functions and driving experience the differences are real and are subtle.   I know that my Audi A6 3.2 is the best and it has separated itself from all these other lesser cars that have the audacity to claim LPS status. Or words to that effect. See? (Oh BTW, that last bit: just kidding!) Replies to this message: jjacura (Sep 12, 2005 1:19 pm) lexusguy (Sep 12, 2005 8:57 pm) ksoman (Sep 13, 2005 6:11 am) lexusguy (Sep 13, 2005 7:50 am) and 3 more... bdr127 (Sep 13, 2005 12:23 pm)
#3905 of 10006 Re: New M35x [markcincinnati] by jjacura Sep 12, 2005 (1:19 pm)
Replying to: markcincinnati (Sep 12, 2005 1:08 pm) I would concur...the word "Hooey" does apply!

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