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What is this discussion about? Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Volvo S80, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac STS, Sedan

#3836 of 9978 Re: Sales [kyfdx] by msu79gt82 Sep 04, 2005 (5:56 pm)
Replying to: kyfdx (Sep 04, 2005 7:38 am) I think you are over-estimating the knowledge and interest of the average buyer.. The typical buyer doesn't read C&D, research their car on the internet, etc.. You do that.. I do that.. Most of the members of Edmunds do that... But, we are a very small percentage of the buying public, even for luxury cars..   Excellent point; and I agree completely. I tend to think that passion plays a major part in car buying. While passion no doubt involves brand prestige and loyalty it also involves a test drive - which is where availability plays a huge part. The typical buyer must get in and drive the car. This is especially true among buyers new to the LPS segment. Do not underestimate the fact that large numbers of these new buyers are leasers who are over-extended.
#3837 of 9978 Re: Cincinnati as a micro example [markcincinnati] by jjacura Sep 04, 2005 (6:35 pm)
Replying to: markcincinnati (Sep 04, 2005 11:57 am) Yeah Yeah Mark...I'm remembering the recent Iacocca TV commercial with the grand daughter... "It's like you always said Grampa..."If you can find a better car, BUY IT" (and many of us in here DID!) (BUT He's STILL the greatest car salesman of our era even B4 Snoop Dog, )
#3838 of 9978 % of total August sales by lexusguy Sep 04, 2005 (6:46 pm)
E-class: 26% BMW 5: 17% Lexus GS: 12% Infiniti M: 21% Audi A6: 23%   M-B has the most to lose if their car fails in the segment, followed by Audi who can use every A6 sale they can get, considering total sales for August were just 6,473. On the other hand, the GS is no big deal to Lexus. Replies to this message: jrock65 (Sep 04, 2005 6:56 pm) mariner7 (Sep 05, 2005 3:16 am) lexusguy (Sep 05, 2005 6:49 am) kdshapiro (Sep 05, 2005 7:04 am) cmybimmergo (Sep 05, 2005 7:43 am)
#3839 of 9978 Re: % of total August sales [lexusguy] by jrock65 Sep 04, 2005 (6:56 pm)
Replying to: lexusguy (Sep 04, 2005 6:46 pm) The low GS percentage is probably due to the fact that Lexus sells so many darn SUVs.
#3840 of 9978 Re: % of total August sales [lexusguy] by mariner7 Sep 05, 2005 (3:16 am)
Replying to: lexusguy (Sep 04, 2005 6:46 pm) I don't think anybody realistically expects E and 5 to fail in this segment. They're the perennial leaders. No one expected M and GS to suddenly jump in front of the line. You don't turn decades of tradition and prestige on its head. But the Germans got to worry the newcomers will take an increasing slice of the pie, or get a rough equivalence, as happened in the class below.   It's very similar to the full size trucks and SUV's. Titans and Tundras win just by taking increasing pieces of the market. In the segment, the Japanese have almost of chance of eventually being on par with the market leaders. But in the luxury market, I'd say they stand of very good chance.   The scary thing for MB/BMW/Audi, they have only the luxury market. So if they lose a large piece of it, that'd hurt. Whereas Toyota and Nissan just dabble in it for even more profits. Replies to this message: lexusguy (Sep 05, 2005 6:49 am) kdshapiro (Sep 05, 2005 7:04 am) cmybimmergo (Sep 05, 2005 7:43 am)
#3841 of 9978 Re: % of total August sales [mariner7] by lexusguy Sep 05, 2005 (6:49 am)
Replying to: mariner7 (Sep 05, 2005 3:16 am) I just meant hypothetically, a big drop in E sales would hurt MB a lot more than say, the GS would hurt Lexus.   "The scary thing for MB/BMW/Audi, they have only the luxury market."   Thats not really true. DCX has Chrysler, Audi has VW, and BMW is going down market with the 1-series. Replies to this message: kdshapiro (Sep 05, 2005 7:04 am)
#3842 of 9978 Re: % of total August sales [lexusguy] by kdshapiro Sep 05, 2005 (7:04 am)
Replying to: lexusguy (Sep 05, 2005 6:49 am) "BMW is going down market with the 1-series."   A 1-series, if it ever gets sold here, will not be mistaken for say a Corolla. It is a smaller BMW targeted toward the premium compact market, but still with a generous helping BMW attributes. The diesel version of the 1-series averaged a respectable 50mpg.
#3843 of 9978 topic by pat HOST Sep 05, 2005 (7:42 am)
Let's don't get distracted from the fact that we are talking about Luxury Performance Sedans and not the other vehicles that our topical manufacturers produce ...
#3844 of 9978 Re: % of total August sales [mariner7] by cmybimmergo Sep 05, 2005 (7:43 am)
Replying to: mariner7 (Sep 05, 2005 3:16 am) The scary thing for BMW...they have only the luxury market.   They also have the Mini. It's not a large segment, but I see enough of them.
#3845 of 9978 Re: Sales [kyfdx] by jjacura Sep 05, 2005 (8:21 am)
Replying to: kyfdx (Sep 04, 2005 7:38 am) Kyfdx...did you join edmunds as a host recently? Replies to this message: kyfdx (Sep 05, 2005 8:32 am) jjacura (Sep 05, 2005 6:31 pm) pat (Sep 05, 2005 8:41 am) cmybimmergo (Sep 05, 2005 1:25 pm) hpowders (Sep 05, 2005 11:32 am)

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