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What is this discussion about? Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Volvo S80, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac STS, Sedan


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Re: '07 Jaguar XK site [ckelly14] by bjbird2
Sep 01, 2005 (2:25 pm)
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Replying to: ckelly14 (Sep 01, 2005 1:45 pm)

That's because the designer of the 07'Jaguar XK8, Ian Callum, was also the designer of the Aston Martin Vanquish, and the DB9.
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Re: '07 Jaguar XK site [bjbird2] by ckelly14
Sep 02, 2005 (10:40 am)
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Replying to: bjbird2 (Sep 01, 2005 2:25 pm)

Makes sense...
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Infiniti M August Sales by drtravel
Sep 03, 2005 (8:01 am)
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They sold 2623 of them last month. Anyone have the results for the other LPS?
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Re: '07 Jaguar XK [bjbird2] by jjacura
Sep 03, 2005 (5:42 pm)
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Replying to: bjbird2 (Sep 01, 2005 2:25 pm)

Was reading Motor Trend today about Callum who was a touch peeved by suggestions the XK looks like an AM..."What the hell did people expect" he said..."It's a Callum car!".... "I have a set of rules by which I design cars. I'm not going to dumb down just because I'm working on a Jaguar. If anything, I'm going to work harder to make sure it's better than the last car I did."
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Re: M August Sales [drtravel] Mid Size US Luxury Sales by sacguy
Sep 03, 2005 (6:33 pm)
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Replying to: drtravel (Sep 03, 2005 8:01 am)

Luxury Mid Size sport sedans August 2005 US sales numbers:
 
MB E-class: 5.011
BMW 5-series: 4.359
Lexus GS: 3.335
Infiniti M: 2.623
Acura RL: 1.721
AUDI A6: 1.509
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Re: M August Sales [drtravel] Mid Size US Luxury Sales [sacguy] by kdshapiro
Sep 03, 2005 (6:47 pm)
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Replying to: sacguy (Sep 03, 2005 6:33 pm)

Interesting. The number show there is a disconnect between the buying public and the journalists who review these cars.
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Re: M August Sales [drtravel] Mid Size US Luxury Sales [sacguy] by lexusguy
Sep 03, 2005 (7:31 pm)
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Replying to: sacguy (Sep 03, 2005 6:33 pm)

Interesting. Good results for GS, as well as M. The RL also appears to finally be getting the numbers Acura had projected, but not more. Poor 'ole A6 brings up the rear again.
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Re: M August Sales [drtravel] Mid Size US Luxury Sales [sacguy] [kdshapiro] by jjacura
Sep 03, 2005 (7:36 pm)
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Sep 03, 2005 6:47 pm)

Very true...but there are so many other factors that affect numbers including production volume, dealer networks, marketing, and I wonder what % of the buyers read the car magazines to ultimately determine which car is right for them. I am basically a loyalist and will probably buy another Acura someday regardless of the numbers.
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Sales by jrock65
Sep 03, 2005 (11:10 pm)
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Nothing surprising about the numbers. To buyers in this class, brand prestige is probably the number 1 factor. So it follows that MB and BMW make the most sales.
 
Not to say that the E and the 5 are not great cars on their merits, they are, but a car like the M really doesn't get too much "brand" love. When's the last time you heard someone say, "I want an Infiniti because it's an Infiniti"?
 
The "disconnect" is there because car reviewers usually don't put too much emphasis in the prestige of the brand.
 
The A6 isn't doing too bad, someone has to be last... there's just so much good competition out there.
 
BTW, the 550i is on BMW's website now. That thing's gonna be a hoot to drive.
 
I wonder when the E500 is going to get the 382 hp 5.4L. Perhaps they're waiting until the redesign?
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Re: Sales [jrock65] by lexusguy
Sep 04, 2005 (12:47 am)
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Replying to: jrock65 (Sep 03, 2005 11:10 pm)

I think its partly prestige, and there's also something of a tradition factor at play here as well. The M may provide more for less, but it also has no tradition in the segment, and its buyers have to be willing to ignore that. Even if every buyer of the original M45 went back for the new one, that still would only account for probably less than 10% of the current car's sales, which means that the M is really rocking the segment in terms of conquest sales.
 
Cars like the E and 5 on the other hand probably have a pretty large percentage of repeat buyers, many of whom probably dont even bother to look at the competition at all. They just trade in the old 5 for a new 5 and are done with it.

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