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Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Volvo S80, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac STS, Sedan
#3758 of 10348 Re: The psychological impact of hp. [ksoman]
Aug 23, 2005 (7:33 am)
I also read that toyota/lexus has lost a decent chunk of their horsepower ratings too for their various engines. one e.g that pops to mind is the camry was downgraded from 210 to 190 hp on their 3.0 V6.
Of course actual hp has NOT changed; merely the way it is measured, nevertheless: Check out the article linked below from The Detroit News. The article claims that the new test standard will hurt the Asian makes more than the domestic. In fact some domestic models (e.g. Cadillac STS and XLR) had an increse in horsepower. Should prove to be interesting time on car lots next fall.
What will be the response to customers who ask, "Why did the RL have a drop in hp with the new standard but the STS go up?" Or when a shopper asks, "Why did the MDX lose power in '06 but the XLR gain power?"
Good questions, can't wait to hear the answer offered up by sales reps. Some folks WILL wonder why under the new standard some makes (e.g. Toyota, Honda) consistently went DOWN; while other makes (e.g. Ford, GM) had a tendency to go UP. Human nature dictates that these questions and concerns WILL be raised. One can easily conclude that certain makes appear to have exaggerated hp under the old/previous "standard" and they will have to deal with it.
#3759 of 10348 Re: The psychological impact of hp. [msu79gt82]
Aug 23, 2005 (8:01 am)
meanwhile, acceleration times won't change one bit .... so it ultimately doesn't matter.
#3760 of 10348 Re: The psychological impact of hp. [msu79gt82]
Aug 23, 2005 (8:26 am)
Exactly as Gbrozen said, "horsepower" is somewhat of an arcane reference in 2005. It was great when people where actually comparing motorized vehicles to horses, but I think that probably stopped by 1910. No matter how many "horses" they have, the domestics arent any faster, and the japanese arent any slower. An Avalon will still mop the floor with a Ford 500 or Buick LaCrosse, regardless.
#3761 of 10348 Re: Wood... [senneca01]
Aug 23, 2005 (9:00 am)
The fact is the wood isn't fake in the E60 and it looks exactly the same as the wood did in the 2003 330xi I used to have. You shouldn't just assume the interior materials used in the E60 are cheaper than the E39 simply because you "think" they are or may like the E39 better. I've driven an E39 and ridden in them numerous times and I don't think the interior looks any more "expensive". In fact I think it actually has more hard plastics which to me seem cheaper, but I'd be willing to bet the two interiors are pretty close in terms of cost to produce for BMW. My point is though, you have no proof that the interior materials are in fact cheaper so it is simply an assumption based on perception.
#3762 of 10348 Re: Shed a little more light on Adaptive Suspension [markcincinnati]
Aug 23, 2005 (10:01 am)
Thanks Mark, and others for the comments regarding the adaptive suspension relative to the A6. I didn't realize this feature is standard on the A8...I think I will re-visit the dealer and test drive one to get a "feel" for the suspension, and more thorough understanding of the functionality. I understand the A8 will have different driving dynamics, but I really do want to make sure it makes a material difference before investing in a $2.2K option. I also need to get clarity on whether it is available for the A6 3.2 sedan, as it is currently listed as an option only for the Avant on the Audi website. Although, I suspect the site hasn't been updated for the 06 offerings.
#3763 of 10348 Re: Shed a little more light on Adaptive Suspension [dan339g]
Aug 23, 2005 (10:32 am)
You are correct, Audi has not updated their site yet for the '06s. I think Edmund's car "configurator" is up-to-date and includes the Adaptive Suspension. It is available as an option on the A6 3.2 sedan.
It is an option I am considering, too, but want to hear from others (and test drive myself) the difference between the Adaptive and Sport. How sporty is the Adaptive Suspension? I do a lot of City driving (San Francisco has many poorly maintained streets), so the sport might be out, but if the Adaptive can get close to a sport suspension-type-drive when outside the City and give me a smooth drive while inside city limits, I could fork over some more $$$ for it.
#3764 of 10348 Re: Wood... [rich545]
Aug 23, 2005 (10:34 am)
"Perception is reality"
#3765 of 10348 Re: The psychological impact of hp. [lexusguy]
Aug 23, 2005 (10:58 am)
... "horsepower" is somewhat of an arcane reference in 2005. It was great when people where actually comparing motorized vehicles to horses, but I think that probably stopped by 1910.
You may know that, but it is a fact that hp is a powerful marketing tool. We are not talking reality here. The psychological impact of hp is due to perception and not reality. Although the reality is that Toyota and Honda have been caught overstating their hp relative to domestic makes. This will be an issue for some folks and it will be intersting to see how dealerships deal with it. Acura is already on record as stating the change is [merely] due to the revised SAE standards. Yet Cadillac went UP with the same revised standards that Acura went DOWN with. It does not matter to you, but it will to some folks.
#3766 of 10348 Re: Wood... [dan339g]
Aug 23, 2005 (11:11 am)
Perception is reality
I read and studied your post above re: perception and reality for quite some time and at first didn't think it was worth the effort or aggravation to respond to it! But being the "philosopher" and educator that I am, I felt that some input/feedback here was needed.
I believe what you really meant was that "beauty (or the like) is in the eye of the beholder!" If the wood in the M series or BMW 5 series looks like plastic or laminate, it doesn't mean it's plastic or laminate, does it??? If your statement were true, "perception is reality," then if it looks like plastic, it is plastic. Does that make sense to anyone?
What appears to me to be beaufiful wood texture does not necessary mean others perceive this the same way. But...IF IT'S REAL WOOD, THEN IT'S REAL WOOD!
Hopefully, we can all take a respite on this topic, at least for a day or two.
#3767 of 10348 Re: Perception is reality [hihomike]
Aug 23, 2005 (11:14 am)
I believe what you really meant was that "beauty (or the like) is in the eye of the beholder!" If the wood in the M series or BMW 5 series looks like plastic or laminate, it doesn't mean it's plastic or laminate, does it???
Isn't it really like "possession is nine tenths of the law" as in whatever wood came in the car I possess is not only real and beautiful, but also better than the others
Does that also mean the hp in the RL actually went down