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What is this discussion about? Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Volvo S80, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac STS, Sedan


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Re: Consumer Reports [hihomike] by kdshapiro
Aug 12, 2005 (4:33 pm)
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Replying to: hihomike (Aug 12, 2005 12:26 pm)

"When I got my BMW, I was sent a survey with 5 questions on it. When I got my Infiniti, it had 35 questions on it."
 
That's a good point. I throw away surveys with more than 5 questions. Maybe BMW realizes that.
 
I also agree Lexus works hard at customer satisfaction, but you are generalizing about all BMW dealers. Mine wants to earn my business, not pretend they are doing me a favor by selling me a car. BMW or not, I would drive away (fast) from any dealer with that attitude.
 
Interestingly enough I encountered that attitude from a number of car dealers recently. The one that really surprised me with Lexus like customer service though was Cadillac.
 
The one dealer that I couldn't understand that attitutude coming from though was Honda.
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Re: $3.40 [janssen] by frisconick
Aug 13, 2005 (10:44 am)
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Replying to: janssen (Aug 12, 2005 1:12 pm)

LOL
 
I am not a big fan of the RL exterior, but I saw light blue RL on the street yesterday and thought it was a knock out, it was very elegant looking.
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Hey people by pat HOST
Aug 13, 2005 (2:53 pm)
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We're wandering all over the place here. Let's stick with the specific luxury performance sedans that are our subject and leave the dealer and political commentary out, okay?
 
Have you seen the latest "2005 All-Wheel-Drive Luxury Sport Sedan Comparison Test"? What do you think?
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European report by lexusguy
Aug 13, 2005 (9:56 pm)
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Since I just got back from San Remo, Italy, I thought I'd fill everybody in on what the Europeans are driving at the mo. It looked like BMW was in first place in terms of just what I saw on the street, with Audi and MB too close to call for 2nd\3rd. In terms of specific LPS cars, plenty of E's (obviously) but a lot more 5s around here at least than 2005+ A6s. I can only remember seeing a small number of them. Lexus doesnt have much of any presence here (again, obviously), but I did see one or two LS430s, and almost as many RX330s (still 300 here) as X5s, which was surprising. The absolute #1 luxury SUV by a country mile though was the Cayenne, there was one litterally at every street corner. I'm not sure how the IS will do, but the RX seems to finally be gaining at least a small foothold, at least in the Monaco\Italian Rivera area.
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RL Exterior [frisconick] by jjacura
Aug 14, 2005 (1:25 pm)
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Replying to: frisconick (Aug 13, 2005 10:44 am)

Glad you noticed....I think so too Celestial Silver on the street would perhaps meet your approval even more.
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Re: European report [lexusguy] by jjacura
Aug 14, 2005 (1:32 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Aug 13, 2005 9:56 pm)

Sounds like a great trip! Was there much of an American car presence there?
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Re: Hey people [pat] by jjacura
Aug 14, 2005 (1:55 pm)
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Replying to: pat (Aug 13, 2005 2:53 pm)

"Have you seen the latest "2005 All-Wheel-Drive Luxury Sport Sedan Comparison Test"? What do you think?"
 
The results of that comparison test lends more credibility to a great car...thanks for sharing that Pat.
 
          http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=106555
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Re: European report [jjacura] by lexusguy
Aug 14, 2005 (2:53 pm)
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Replying to: jjacura (Aug 14, 2005 1:32 pm)

Yes, it was a very nice vacation overall. American cars were very few and far between. Unlike London, there were almost no Fords or Opels that I can remember. The only American brand I saw was Chrysler - the occasional Crossfire, some T&C minivans, and a 300C wagon, aka Dodge Magnum. Porsche was everywhere though, lots of Boxsters and no less than two 911 Turbos at my hotel. As I said before, you couldn't throw a rock without hitting a Cayenne S. Generally the cars were overwhelmingly German, with just the occasional Lexus, Rover, Peugot\Citroen, or Fiat AG. The most unique vehicle was a lone Infiniti FX35.
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Re: European report [lexusguy] by cstiles
Aug 14, 2005 (3:37 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Aug 14, 2005 2:53 pm)

Welcome back to the mainland.
 
Considering you were in San Remo, surprised to read that you didn't see more Alfa's or Fiats. In Sept I'll be going to Milan and Venice. Going to the Grand Prix race in Milan, which I can't wait to experience (should be better than the one in Indianapolis...ha). I'll have to wear my Honda baseball cap to that one!
 
How did you find the security at the airports overseas? Trying to get geared up for some delays and searches when I am there. Did you fly Alitalia and if yes, how did you find their service? That's what we're taking in Sept.
 
I was in Berlin and Munich last fall, and it's always interesting to see the occasional Chrysler minivan there. I also saw more than a few Jeep Grand Cherokees. But the most striking thing (compared to the US) was to see so many small Audis (A2/A3), Smart cars, and small BMWs. Most with diesel engines, to boot. Also quite a few BMW 5-series and MB E-classes with diesel engines.
 
And, of course, far more manual trannys. I sure wish American drivers discovered the benefits of shifting for themselves.
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Not so sure about your post Re: Consumer Reports [hpowders] by greenbelt
Aug 14, 2005 (3:40 pm)
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Replying to: hpowders (Aug 11, 2005 12:38 pm)

It would be easy for someone to read your post as if Consumer Reports indicated that the 545i was flawless, that iDrive was flawless (what a ..... joke that would be) and the car was a 'rocket on wheels.'
 
I think you ought to caveat your post with capital, bold IMHO's most of the time, since your experience is fairly unique wrt the 545 and BMWs in general.

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