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Replying to: lexusguy (Aug 11, 2005 4:43 pm) |
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Replying to: hihomike (Aug 11, 2005 4:07 am) Wow, not where I live. The three bedroom house next door just went for $750,000. The only time I rode in an e60 530, I found the hesitation on acceleration to be very annoying. How's yours?
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Replying to: senneca01 (Aug 11, 2005 7:49 pm) The steering was wishy-washy. No effort required. The brakes grabby to the extreme. The GS300 was actually better. I had no problem with the brakes and steering. Watch out for Infiniti. They are definitely an exciting story. |
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Replying to: cmybimmergo (Aug 11, 2005 9:09 pm) |
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Replying to: janssen (Aug 11, 2005 12:53 pm) "So, Mr. Customer, you vant to own a BMW, vundabar! You vill luv this automobile. Oh, you say the Japanese cars are more reliable? Huh, you vant a Japanese car, go buy one. You are obviously not the kind of customer we want as a BMW owner!" The above contrived conversation between a salesman at BMW and a would-be BMW buyer is overstated, perhaps, but that is the impression I have always gotten when I enter a BMW dealership - cavalier, obnoxious, pompous, etc. At one dealer, I had to make an appointment for a demo drive - they weren't giving any the day I was there, they said. I was wearing shorts, unshaven, etc. At an Infiniti, Acura, Lexus dealership, that would not happen, in my opinion. Needless to say, I bought my BMW at another dealership. By the way, I own a 2006 530i AND a 2006 M35 in my household. Both vehicles are outstanding, and no, I'm not obnoxious, cavalier, pompous, just practical.
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Replying to: lexusguy (Aug 11, 2005 5:00 pm) |
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Replying to: hihomike (Aug 12, 2005 4:40 am) "Ahso, our vehicles come as they are, you cannot choose any options" Like the conversation between a mythical salesperson and a person buying an RL. Come back next week for a test drive. There are good dealers and bad dealers across the board. |
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I know that isn't the intent of these messages.. But, you guys are heading down a slippery slope... I suggest we talk about cars... regards, kyfdx |
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Replying to: hihomike (Aug 12, 2005 4:40 am) Too good! So is it just a dealer, or a few dealers, or a corporate sponsored elitism? Do they have special training courses where they train the staff to elevate their noses a few degrees? My infiniti salesman told me, at least in the Bay area, 80% of their customers are "beback" people-they see the vehicle in person, go home, do their research, then come back and buy. So no need to pressure the customer. Does BMW have similar data, that describes no difference in buying pattern when their staff is pleasant and when they are rude and condescending? I have been reading a few articles online that describe the importance of marketing, and how companies are just now learning the true value of getting a new customer (who will return repeatedly) versus the cost of keeping a customer. There are actually metrics giving exact values for each of these! You have a very lucky household! a 530 and an M35. I would guess no teenagers???
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http://hybridcars.about.com/od/news/a/hybridtaxcredit.htm The new tax credit for the RX400h will probably be nowhere near $3500. Probably more like $1000. Also, with the full credit limited to 60,000 per company and phased out after that, the credit won't really be there for Toyota vehicles after a year and a half. Toyota currently sells about 14,000 hybrid vehicles per month, so they'll reach the 60,000 limit in 4 or 5 months after 01/01/20006. You can get an RX330 for close to invoice, but expect to pay near MSRP for an RX400h. So the real world difference between comparably equipped RX330 and RX400h is more like $8000. Of course, the RX400h has better straight line power, which alone could be worth it for some people. I'm interested to see how Lexus prices the GS450h. I'm thinking about the same as the soon to come GS460. The GS450h probably won't qualify for more than $1000 in tax credit. Not that buyers of $60,000 cars really need it. |
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