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The new issue of Autoweek has a comparison of the M45 vs. GS430, it is their cover-story. The M45 beat the GS430 by a landslide. They thought that the VDIM system on the GS is too obtrusive and the both the brakes and steering are overboosted. They also complained about the transmission not knowing the proper gear to be in at the right times. They said that the GS has a good chassis, but Lexus uses too many electronics with ill effect to try and make a great car. They liked the M45 in almost every respect. They liked the intelligent transmission, acceleration, brakes, handling, rear-active steer, and grip. They basically say that the Infiniti has sportyness built into the car without having to resort to what Lexus does (i.e., to many electronic nanny's). In the last sentence they call the M45 a champion, and say, "Sayonara Lexus!"
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Replying to: lexusguy (Aug 11, 2005 4:43 pm) |
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Replying to: hihomike (Aug 11, 2005 4:07 am) Wow, not where I live. The three bedroom house next door just went for $750,000. The only time I rode in an e60 530, I found the hesitation on acceleration to be very annoying. How's yours?
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Replying to: senneca01 (Aug 11, 2005 7:49 pm) The steering was wishy-washy. No effort required. The brakes grabby to the extreme. The GS300 was actually better. I had no problem with the brakes and steering. Watch out for Infiniti. They are definitely an exciting story. |
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Replying to: cmybimmergo (Aug 11, 2005 9:09 pm) |
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Replying to: janssen (Aug 11, 2005 12:53 pm) "So, Mr. Customer, you vant to own a BMW, vundabar! You vill luv this automobile. Oh, you say the Japanese cars are more reliable? Huh, you vant a Japanese car, go buy one. You are obviously not the kind of customer we want as a BMW owner!" The above contrived conversation between a salesman at BMW and a would-be BMW buyer is overstated, perhaps, but that is the impression I have always gotten when I enter a BMW dealership - cavalier, obnoxious, pompous, etc. At one dealer, I had to make an appointment for a demo drive - they weren't giving any the day I was there, they said. I was wearing shorts, unshaven, etc. At an Infiniti, Acura, Lexus dealership, that would not happen, in my opinion. Needless to say, I bought my BMW at another dealership. By the way, I own a 2006 530i AND a 2006 M35 in my household. Both vehicles are outstanding, and no, I'm not obnoxious, cavalier, pompous, just practical.
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Replying to: lexusguy (Aug 11, 2005 5:00 pm) |
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Replying to: hihomike (Aug 12, 2005 4:40 am) "Ahso, our vehicles come as they are, you cannot choose any options" Like the conversation between a mythical salesperson and a person buying an RL. Come back next week for a test drive. There are good dealers and bad dealers across the board. |
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I know that isn't the intent of these messages.. But, you guys are heading down a slippery slope... I suggest we talk about cars... regards, kyfdx |
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Replying to: hihomike (Aug 12, 2005 4:40 am) Too good! So is it just a dealer, or a few dealers, or a corporate sponsored elitism? Do they have special training courses where they train the staff to elevate their noses a few degrees? My infiniti salesman told me, at least in the Bay area, 80% of their customers are "beback" people-they see the vehicle in person, go home, do their research, then come back and buy. So no need to pressure the customer. Does BMW have similar data, that describes no difference in buying pattern when their staff is pleasant and when they are rude and condescending? I have been reading a few articles online that describe the importance of marketing, and how companies are just now learning the true value of getting a new customer (who will return repeatedly) versus the cost of keeping a customer. There are actually metrics giving exact values for each of these! You have a very lucky household! a 530 and an M35. I would guess no teenagers???
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