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What is this discussion about? Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Volvo S80, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac STS, Sedan


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Re: Lane Departure System tax credit [jrock65] by tayl0rd
Aug 11, 2005 (11:53 am)
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Replying to: jrock65 (Aug 10, 2005 5:30 am)

"We believe this legislation will accelerate more widespread adoption of our LDW system and other intelligent vehicle technologies that help make our highway travel much safer."
 
Wow! Talk about big business controlling the government!!
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Re: Consumer Reports [rich545] by hpowders
Aug 11, 2005 (12:38 pm)
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Replying to: rich545 (Aug 11, 2005 5:19 am)

BMW 545i:
350 miles.
Flawless performance.
Flawless iDrive.
A rocket on wheels.
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325 HP... by kyfdx HOST
Aug 11, 2005 (12:42 pm)
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.. and it uses a lot of gas?
 
Go figure!!
 
Seriously... it would be worth it, to me...
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Re: Consumer Reports [hihomike] by janssen
Aug 11, 2005 (12:53 pm)
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Replying to: hihomike (Aug 11, 2005 11:00 am)

I am the executive assistant to the owner of an Infiniti dealer down here, and we do not have the same problems as BMW. We have loaners, we can take care of customers, and don't have major issues with the Infiniti line.
 
I am curious, having been a BMW owner, and now being an Infiniti owner:
 
Why the difference? Is it dealership-dependent, or is it a difference in corporate culture?
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Re: Consumer Reports [hihomike] by warthog
Aug 11, 2005 (1:42 pm)
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Replying to: hihomike (Aug 11, 2005 11:00 am)

hihomike wrote: "The main problem with BMW service centers is that they are so overwhelmed with work for warranty issues that unless you have an emergency, you need to wait a while for a loaner car and an appointment."
 
I'm a BMW owner in Charlotte, NC (county pop. 750,000) which has one BMW dealer. I dropped in several days ago (no appointment) to have a tail light replaced. The car was in and out before I could finish ogling the 911's and Boxters next door. It is necessary to make an appointment if you want a loaner for routine maintenance/service, but that's hardly a problem. Usually, it's quicker to wait on the car than to make an extra round-trip in the loaner to retrieve it.
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Re: $3.40 [markcincinnati] by bondguy1
Aug 11, 2005 (4:23 pm)
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Aug 11, 2005 4:35 am)

My A6 just broke 3200 miles...Leased it mid May...and am averaging 24.50 MPG so far...Pretty soon, when gas gets to $3 (which I understand it is in many places in California right now), maybe a lot of the comparisons will switch to MPG as a category. Thanks President Bush for screwing up our country and giving us higher gas prices!!!
BTW, I heard the gas mileage on the Lexus hybrid RX400h isn't that great...I think its only like 8-10 MPG more than the regular gas version. Which may be good for an SUV but not worth the premium you're paying. I think the Toyota Prius is a cool car (with real high mileage...especially in the city).
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Re: Platform Sharing..... [bondguy1] by lexusguy
Aug 11, 2005 (4:43 pm)
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Replying to: bondguy1 (Aug 10, 2005 3:28 pm)

"Acura is the only one of all the Japanese High Line cars and most of the German cars that doesn't offer a V8 engine. Why don't we go there if you're really trying to defend the RL. Why is this the case?"
 
You'll notice that GS430 makes up a very small percentage of GS sales. Its always been that way. Most of the LPS cars have a vast majority of a 6 sold as the engine. Acura did the math and expected maybe 10% V8 RL sales. Thats 200 cars a year, and only if the RL was selling at the rate Acura projected. So far it seems to have only turned in one month of the sales numbers required to reach a 20,000\yr goal. They decided that the expense of developing a brand new V8 from scratch would not be worth it for 200 cars a month, so there's no V8. The other possibility is to slap IMA on the existing 3.5L V6, and I think thats pretty likely to happen. They are the only ones that can compete with the GS450h, and if the Lexus does well, its a pretty sure bet that Acura will make a RL hybrid. It would also cure the RL's low end torque problem.
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Re: $3.40 [bondguy1] by lexusguy
Aug 11, 2005 (5:00 pm)
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Replying to: bondguy1 (Aug 11, 2005 4:23 pm)

Lemme guess, it was the NYT article, right? I've had to defend the 400h 3 times today already. NYT completely missed the entire point of the 400h. When Lexus announced that they were going to offer hybrids, they said that the Toyota versions would strive for the best mpg, and the Lexus versions would be designed to get as much extra power out of the electric motors as possible, with any increased mpg as sort of a bonus. The RX400h was NOT designed to get Prius-like mileage. Another total misconception is the supposed $10K premium for the 400h, which is completely incorrect. The BASE RX330 stickers at just below the $40K mark, where as the RX400 starts at $49K, so everybody assumes that the 400h costs $10K more. What they fail to mention is that the $39,990 RX330 has cloth seats, and NO options. Any Lexus dealer will tell you that you cant actually buy a total stripper RX330 like that, unless you special order it. The ones on the lot all cost at least $42K.
 
If you actually spend the time to build an RX at lexus.com (apparently NYT was too busy for that, or too biased to report anything that would dampen their argument as to why the 400h stinks) you'll notice that a completely loaded RX330 comes in around $46,5. The 400h comes with just about every RX330 option as standard equipment. The only option is the ML stereo, which brings it up to around $51. Therefore, the actual price for JUST the hybrid motor is $4500, not $10k. Factor in the $3500 tax credit for hybrids, and you can get into a RX400h for $1000 more than a similarly loaded 330. Try going to a MB dealer and telling them you want an ML500, but you're only willing to pay $1000 more than the ML350 costs. See what kind of reaction you get there.
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Re: Platform Sharing..... [lexusguy] by cheerioboy26
Aug 11, 2005 (6:34 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Aug 11, 2005 4:43 pm)

"Acura did the math and expected maybe 10% V8 RL sales. Thats 200 cars a year, and only if the RL was selling at the rate Acura projected. So far it seems to have only turned in one month of the sales numbers required to reach a 20,000\yr goal."
 
My 10% of 20,000 math equals 2,000
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V-8 RL by bartalk3
Aug 11, 2005 (6:55 pm)
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I believe I read in the current issue of Motor Trend (Sept.) that Acura will introduce a V-8 for the RL in...2011.

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