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You are in the Sedans
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Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Volvo S80, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac STS, Sedan
#3441 of 10338 Re: How come no one here talks about the MB E ? [lexusguy]
Aug 04, 2005 (11:36 pm)
You're right its been out since 2003 and thus isn't the newest and hottest thing, which is why I think it isn't talked about here. Obviously there is interest outside of Edmund's mesg boards because it sells so well, even in the face of a half-dozen newer entries, impressive imo.
True the E doesn't have as many toys as some of the newer entries.
I disagree about AWD and a Mercedes being an afterthought. Mercedes is only one of 2 makes that offers the option on both their V6 and V8 models, them and Audi. Mercedes' 4Matics are very popular in certain areas of the country. If you visit a state like Minnesota every E and S-Class you see are of the 4Matic variety.
The only reason Acura and Audi market agressively is because that is the only way their cars come in this class.
I suspect things will pick up on the mesg board when the E500 gets the new 5.5L 382hp V8 from the 2007 S500, along with a facelift.
#3442 of 10338 Re: How come no one here talks about the MB E ? [lexusguy]
Aug 05, 2005 (2:27 am)
MB always has a great exterior, and despite all the talk about reliabilty, my interest was peaked after your posting. I configured "My MB", a E350 with lighting/preimum/sirius, and the result: about $59K! Even if it was comparable to the other cars we are discussing, it's not in the same ball park on the value side. About the same price as a fully loaded M45....
Now, if they were heavily discounting, I may be interested, but the last time I went to a M-B dealership, they weren't giving them away.
#3443 of 10338 "Ultimate Driving Machine"
Aug 05, 2005 (4:31 am)
No, designman and hp, the point was that restricting this list to a certain set of vehicles (LPS) and then declaring one brand of them to be the 'Ultimate Driving Machine(s)" is pretty silly.
It's a lot like picking six different kinds of apples and then declaring one of them to be the "Most Tasty Fruit in the Universe".
#3444 of 10338 Re: How come no one here talks about the MB E ? [ckelly14]
Aug 05, 2005 (4:39 am)
Another reason no one talks about the E is the six car limit on the discussion (currently Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Lexus GS 300, Audi A6, Infiniti M35). Because it is not included, no one gets shunted here when they search the discussions. Either that, or they are spending all their time on the "E series-Owners: Problems & Solutions" board.
(Just kidding, Merc1)
Maybe Pat should remove one of the GS models and replace it with the E (only one of the M versions is listed).
#3445 of 10338 MB Discounting in Boston
Aug 05, 2005 (4:45 am)
If you are willing to head north a good ways you should look at a MB dealership with very large inventory.
The main one in Boston is Herb Chambers. They show 105 E-350's and E500's (a few) in stock on lilne today, ranging from around $53K to $68K. You can ping the ISDs for a deal, follow up with a call.
They have to sell MB's with heavy discounting to turn over that much inventory. Nobody with their brains in gear pays list for any car on the lot unless they just like to send the sales guy's kids to college.
#3446 of 10338 Re: So stipulated. . . [cmybimmergo]
Aug 05, 2005 (5:15 am)
My mistake was parking next to a big van or SUV on my right. I never did that before but I figured with only one day left to return the car....
Totally agree: Look for 2 LPS to park between. If I can't do that, I try to find an island to park next to. At least my odds for dings go down 50%.
#3447 of 10338 Re: How come no one here talks about the MB E ? [lexusguy]
Aug 05, 2005 (5:30 am)
Mercedes, second only to Audi offers AWD (ONLY with auto trans) in virtually all of its models. Mercedes, not BMW has been committed to AWD for some time now.
Granted this is year 25 for Audi, but Mercedes could hardly be called for having a casual affair with AWD.
However, even with Audi, BMW, Cadillac, Infiniti, Jaguar, Lexus, Mercedes, VW and Volvo offering some to wide availability of AWD -- the company that seems to be synonymous with AWD is, sadly, Subaru.
Ask the "person on the street" and they will probably be able to note the SAV from BMW and Mercedes, Subaru and finally Audi.
The real loser here, once again thank you Audi of America marketing, is Audi.
Audi squandered its "lead," its secret weapon, for almost 25 years. Now, although Audi cars are the best ever, they are not synonymous with quattro and AWD like they perhaps could have been and some (me) would argue should have been.
#3448 of 10338 Re: Audi vs. BMW in Europe [markcincinnati]
Aug 05, 2005 (5:58 am)
Not only in Germany but also in South Europe Audi sells much more autos than BMW. And yes, there are many MB taxicabs and very few if any Audis and BMWs.
#3449 of 10338 Re: How come no one here talks about the MB E ? [lexusguy]
Aug 05, 2005 (6:31 am)
I don't agree that MB does not push AWD. They have it available on nearly all their sedans (the CLS being the exception). Second, while I agree with you on MB's pricy options on stuff that should clearly be standard in a 50k+ car, the secret weapon at the moment is subsidized leases. A fairly well loaded E350 can be leased for exactly the same as an Audi A6 and less than a 530 XI right now. Also, I dis-agree that the MB is technologically inferior to its German competitors, but do admit the Japanese electronics are superior.
However in safety and solid driving "feel" (admitedly subjective) the E class is second to none. Finally, the new E V6 is an excellent engine and dramatically changes, in my view, the E350's competitiveness with other V6 competitors.
When MB brings the diesel E class with 4-matic here, I believe AWD buyers will have a unique choice with that engines tremendous tourque.
#3450 of 10338 Re: How come no one here talks about the MB E ? [akr]
Aug 05, 2005 (6:42 am)
I also agree about them pushing AWD. The MB commercial I see the most is the one where the guy is plowed into the spot he parallel-parked in ... and he says "oh, i just press the gas to get out."