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You are in the Sedans
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Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Volvo S80, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac STS, Sedan
#3265 of 10348 No insecurity
Aug 02, 2005 (4:11 pm)
I don't feel insecure about Infiniti's success.
I drove an M45 sport. Did not know what all the fuss was about. The vehicle felt heavy. The steering felt artificial. The "wood" looked like cardboard. The engine sounded too loud.
The styling reminded me of an Altima.
Having driven BMW's exclusively since 1993 and after reading so many good things about the M45, when I finally got to drive one, I was disappointed.
I'm sure they will improve, but BMW will not exactly be standing still.
#3266 of 10348 CR Luxury Sedan Rankings
Aug 02, 2005 (4:14 pm)
The September 05' issue of Consumer Reports ranks luxury sedans as follows;
1. Infiniti M35
2. Acura TL
3. Toyota Avalon
4. MB E320
6. Audi A6
7. Luxus ES330
8. Cadillac STS
9. Acura RL
10. Jaguar S-Type
11. Lexus GS300
12. Volvo S80
13. Saab 9-5
I know CR is not an enthusiast's magazine, but as someone pointed out on this forum, they are probably a lot more objective, not influenced by ad revenue, etc, than a lot of the enthusiast publications.
Interesting that of the 6 sedans they tested this month, the Avalon is the fastest, and gets the best mileage. They did say that the Avalon is not a sports sedan, that it lacks agility with the soft suspension.
I know that some of these cars are not part of this forum, but it's interesting to see how the test placed all of them in the rankings.
#3267 of 10348 Re: Last update [jrock65]
Aug 02, 2005 (4:17 pm)
How many of those E's are wagons?? I see more E wagons than E sedans around where I live. E wagon competes more with the RX and FX than with GS and M.
#3268 of 10348 Now all they need is a Q
Aug 02, 2005 (4:24 pm)
BMW may not be too nervous yet, but perhaps Lexus should be. Lexus is the one delivering hype, while Infiniti delivers results. The fight between GS and M and IS350 and the next G should be very interesting to watch. I think the big question for Infiniti is what the heck can be done with the Q45? The LS is the car Lexus has down to a science. It will be much harder to challenge than the GS, which has been a failure most of its life.
#3269 of 10348 Re: My take on this car segment [emergency_md]
Aug 02, 2005 (4:27 pm)
I own both ('04 TL and "06 M35 Sport) and all I can say is, you get what you pay for. The TL is a good looking and feature laden car, but feels hollow and mine, at least (with the other three Acuras I've owned) has developed many rattles, buzzes and vibrations. Others with the car report they have the same problem and many say they don't. The M35, on the other hand, has remained rock solid in feel and reliability thus far, now on my 5th month of ownership. It is true, IMHO, you do get what you pay for, but both are reasonable values in today's market.
#3270 of 10348 Re: The point? [janssen]
Aug 02, 2005 (4:36 pm)
Whatever you drive doesn't upset me at all. Why should it? I know that BMW is the "Ultimate Driving Machine." Infiniti has come a long way but they are not there yet. Even Road & Track places the 545i ahead of the M45 Sport for "serious driving."
I'm glad that Infiniti is making strides because due to the competition, BMW will also improve to become the "Ultimate Galaxy Driving Machine."
#3271 of 10348 Re: The point? [hpowders]
Aug 02, 2005 (4:39 pm)
BMW will also improve to become the "Ultimate Galaxy Driving Machine."
Well, sure, anything can corner like it's on rails around a black hole.
But how will it perform on the 1/4 parsec?
#3272 of 10348 Re: The point? [docnukem]
Aug 02, 2005 (4:42 pm)
Very good! I'm glad someone around here has a sense of humor!
#3274 of 10348 Re: So stipulated. . . [warthog]
Aug 02, 2005 (5:06 pm)
Yeah. It's a chick car.
But I do love it.