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Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Volvo S80, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac STS, Sedan
#2882 of 10348 Finally Some Good News for Audi
Jul 02, 2005 (7:36 am)
Consumer Reportsí annual auto reliability survey shows that the reliability of domestic cars and trucks continued to improve last year, while those from European automakers declined. Japanese and Korean automakers once again produced the most trouble-free vehicles overall.
Tell me something I don't know.
Consumer Reportsí analysis for each manufacturer is based upon the number of problems per 100 vehicles. The average problem rate for all 2004 vehicles covered in the survey (including domestic, European, and Asian brands) was 16 problems per 100, down from the 2003 rate of 17 problems per 100.
Snore, tell me something new, PLEASE.
This just in!
DaimlerChrysler, Ford, and General Motors inched a little closer to Asian automakers with an overall problem rate of 17 per 100. Last year, U.S. automakers had a combined problem rate of 18 per 100.
The problem rate for European automakers rose slightly, to 21 per 100 from 20 per 100 last year. BMW, Mercedes-Benz and Volkswagen had more than their share of problems.
Only Audi came out better than the industry-wide average, with a problem rate of 12 per 100 for the two Audi models covered in CRís survey.
The Asian manufacturers (Japanese and Korean) once again produced the most trouble-free vehicles, with an overall problem rate of 12 per 100 (the same as Audi) for the 2004 model year. That rate has not changed in the past three surveys.
Brand Problems per 100 vehicles
One wonders where Jaguar may be or would be on this list?
Jul 02, 2005 (1:24 pm)
"...Why run the sale...none of their other cars sell"
Generally you would do something like that with cars that arent selling (see GM).
#2886 of 10348 Re: chef_jmr [bondguy1]
Jul 02, 2005 (6:58 pm)
"yes, whats the point? Are you going to buy a car based on how many they sell or are you going to buy what you like? "
Boy oh boy. still missing the point.
#2887 of 10348 Re: Finally Some Good News for Audi [markcincinnati]
Jul 02, 2005 (9:24 pm)
That's some of the most useful information we've seen in a while! Thanks for posting it Mark. It would be nice to know which two models of Audi's CR was following...
Oh, and to bondguy1, to put this matter to rest so that maxhonda99 can enjoy his Independence weekend... My point of the lackluster sales by Audi was this: Should the sales numbers for Audi not meet their expectations, it would imply that something is wrong (bad design [not the case], high price, crappy ad campaign, something). If you have a product that ain't selling, maneuver it so that it's sales will increase (probably why they have begun the lease deals on the '05s to clear the lots for the '06s that could become stale due to a price increase!!!)
As I just stated, Audi is increasing the price on the '06 A6, while cleaning up the options packages--perhaps a trade off. But it is counter-intuitive to increase the price on your product when you are having troubles moving it in the first place. Although, there are probably some MBAs or others here on the forum that are aware that sometimes this type of price increase actually increases the attractiveness of the product. I see it in the San Francisco real estate market occasionally, homes won't sell for three months, taken off the market for a week, and then re-listed at a higher price, and quickly are sold! Market psychology is strange, and I am no expert. Could it work for Audi? I doubt it with all the extremely rich competition out there, but would be an interesting debate...
I will purchase the car I most enjoy, while considering the financial implications.
I just want Audi, and all car manufacturers, to know that we are no fools! At least I'm not!
I hope that clears up my point for everyone, maxhonda99. Happy 4th!
#2888 of 10348 Re: bondguy1 [lexusguy]
Jul 02, 2005 (9:33 pm)
Yes, I agree with you but GM sold a heck of a lot of cars last month since they did the emplyee pricing. How many people are really not buying Q45's because of price? Do you ever see Q45's on the road anymore? I remember back in 1992 and around that time, a few years after the Lexus and Infiniti names were introduced, it was a toss up which to buy between Lexus LS 400 and Q45. The Q used to be more about performance and Lexus more luxury. It makes sense what you said and it's obvious they want to try to jump on the employee cost bandwagon. It is great if you were in the market for a G35. I wonder if this is a local dealership thing or something Infiniti is doing nationally.
Jul 03, 2005 (12:57 am)
Its all a gimmick anyway. Many have said that essentially the same deals where already available on GM cars before they started this "employee discount" bit. Calling it that though instead of just big fat rebates makes it sound like people are getting something "special" instead of just the usual mark downs on crappy cars.
As for this Infiniti dealership specifically, I doubt they thought it would do anything for the Q45. That car as it is right now is basically unsellable, as I'm sure Infiniti's dealers are well aware. As you said, I think its meant to help G and FX sales.
As for the original Q, it was killed by one of the worst marketing campaigns in luxury car history.
#2890 of 10348 Re: bondguy1 [lexusguy]
Jul 03, 2005 (5:47 am)
I'd be inclined to scratch my head and agree.....if you look at GM's large SUVs, Tahoe, Suburban, etc. The difference between invoice (what the were selling for, real world) and MSRP was what 5k? Less rebates and haggling your around that 8k-10k mark the employee discount offers.
#2891 of 10348 Re: Finally Some Good News for Audi [chef_jmr]
Jul 03, 2005 (8:57 am)
My guess is that the cars discussed were the A4 and the A6, the allroad, A8 and TT probably don't merit that much attention considering their relatively low sales numbers.