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Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Volvo S80, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac STS, Sedan
#2812 of 10348 50 miles on the road, and I'm gonna make it home tongight. . .
Jun 24, 2005 (6:40 am)
With 50 miles on the od, I am hardly able to say too much good or bad about the new A6. Subject to modification and clarification and correction in future posts, here goes.
2005 A6 3.2 Green Pearl, Amaretto Premium Leather - comfort seats
18" UHP All seasons on 18" optional wheels
Sirius Sat Radio
Voice activation of most of the stuff the MMI does control.
In armrest phone mount for Sony T637 bluetooth phone
I think that covers the layout.
The M35X I had ordered was Liquid Platinum, Bourbon
The MSRP of the two cars was ~ $50,250 M35X ~ $53,290 A6.
The mo pay on the Audi with no upfronts, no sec dep and only first mo: $669/36 months 15,000 per year. This is $8.00 less than the Infiniti would have been and the Infiniti would have required a sec dep. At those deltas, the Infiniti would have been a 39 month lease, too.
The Infiniti has a 60,000 warranty, the Audi, 50,000 miles.
The Audi will have no charge maintenance. The Infiniti would have had yes charge maintenance ("yes charge?")
The Infiniti would have had more electronic stuff (and I love gadgets). The Inifiniti would have been able to play my small collection of DVD-Audio discs, the Audi will not. The Infiniti would have had 280HP (the Audi has 255HP) and probably achieved speed about .5 seconds quicker (to 60mhp).
The Audi has a 6speed auto, the Infiniti a 5speed auto -- both manumatics.
So far no tip lag on the Audi, but I will not be shocked if it happens. Ditto on the Infiniti had I gone that way.
Where the Audi has parktronic, the Infiniti would have had a rear camera. The Audi's door locks are able to be set for auto or manual, etc.
Audi charges $750 for push button start -- it is "free" on the Infiniti.
The Audi's steering column is manual tilt and telescope, the Infiniti is power actuated. The Audi has front and rear heated seats, the Infiniti would have had front only heated and cooled seats.
Both have lots of airbags.
The brakes on the Audi are (depending on who you read) superior. This may be a draw.
The Audi has glossy wood panels, the Infiniti flat finish wood panels.
Lane departure warning system and automatic cruise control Infiniti only.
Better gas milage (probably 2MPG) for the Audi.
Net net: you get and give when you are in this class of cars -- perhaps Lexus or Mercedes or someone has figured out how to be all things to all people. Beats me.
I would want a power steering column and a heated steering wheel having had these features previously in my Audis.
Now that I have learned how to change radio stations this is just a comment: What on earth would be wrong with having a few radio station buttons? The Audi does not have any. Although you can use the thumbwheel on the steering wheel to easily (really) change stations and the voice command to do so is very cool too.
I don't know if the Bird's Eye View Navigation on the Infiniti is better than the one in the Audi -- the one in the Audi is great and I love the secondary screen in the middle of the dash that uses arrows and text to compliment the voice commands. The map is cool (I set it to .6 miles) and is a useful tool to get a bit further overview of what you will be doing in .6 miles or so.
The materials used, fit and finish, switchgear, even the stitches on the seats in the Audi are second to none. For all I know, they are equal in the Infiniti. I did take several test drives in the Infiniti and I felt at the time that Infiniti had done it right, too.
Personal preference -- the Audi's interior lighting scheme is more to my taste, but this is on a scale of one to ten an eleven, so that would not be either a turn on or turn off.
The Audi with the UHP 18" tires is very quiet. Yet, when I drove the Infiniti M35X, I thought it was pretty quiet too other than a bit more engine noise than I can provoke from the 3.2 Audi powerplant.
The layout of the controls in the Audi will be easy to get comfortable with quickly -- but it is a far cry from my gone but not forgotten 2003 allroad (which was essential an A6 on the inside).
The seats are the best I have ever been in. This time I did not want the sport seats, since even the comfort seats are well bolstered for my 53 year old butt.
The Audi seems stiffer (non sport suspension but 40 series UHP tires) than my memory of the M35X. The turn in is sharp and precise. But, but, but -- I know the Audi is nose heavy(er) than the Infiniti and of all my academic gripes about cars, I am probably more prone to beat the drum for better F/R weight distribution than almost anything else -- because it effects the "balance" (read understeer/oversteer tendencies) perhaps more than anything else.
Knowing the quattro system is a nominally 50 50 torque split and that the Infiniti is rear biased (30 70 (?) -- and actually almost "nominally a rear wheel drive" car except when needed), is more of something to discuss over drinks at "the club" rather than a practical matter for me to worry about. I am more wishful for a better balance of weight than a bias of drive. Heck, even the Volvos and Acuras some being 95% FWD can be engineered to do just fine IF their weight balance isn't too much front end biased. BMW is the champeen here as far as I'm concerned.
The car seems adequately powered -- I have driven it in "S" mode except when I am on the interstate to keep the torquey feeling I had been used to in the 6speed manual 2.7T allroad.
Sound system is possibly an A-, definitely a B+.
It is smooth.
It is more luxurious than I had expected from Audi -- but it does have that "solid" and nearly stiff feel that Germans just seem to have developed into a high art form.
#2813 of 10348 Re: 50 miles on the road, and I'm gonna make it home tongight. . . [markcincinnati]
Jun 24, 2005 (1:30 pm)
Is that $669 plus tax or including tax?
#2815 of 10348 Re: 50 miles on the road, and I'm gonna make it home tongight. . . [markcin
Jun 25, 2005 (8:44 am)
I have not read this forum for a while.
Somehow I am not surprised by this news.
(Will you take another tour of the Castle?)
#2816 of 10348 Re: 50 miles on the road, and I'm gonna make it home tongight. . . [bondguy1]
Jun 25, 2005 (11:01 am)
That is the amount of the check I have to write every month. Ohio requires the payment that you make to be the net amount, the final amount -- the taxes, thank you Govner, were prepaid, so the check is $669, the Inifinit as noted would have been $677.
#2817 of 10348 Re: 50 miles on the road, and I'm gonna make it home tongight. . . [markcincinnati]
Jun 25, 2005 (8:14 pm)
Just got home tonight. Love driving the new A6. Have one question though. The Bi-Xenon adaptive headlamps are supposed to light up the side of the car or sort of to some degree of an angle when you turn. They don't do much for my eyes. My parents Lexus LS 430 does a great job of lighting up the side front of car when you turn. I was driving their car recently and noticed a big difference when compared to my A6. Not a huge deal though...
#2818 of 10348 Re: 50 miles on the road, and I'm gonna make it home tongight. . . [bondguy1]
Jun 26, 2005 (6:12 am)
Drive down a dark road with your headlights on. Play with the wheel (not while other cars are around you) -- the headlight's beam will turn left and right with the wheel. The effect is real and is subtle. My wife's new X3 has this feature and it too is subtle but real.
Not knowing how other car's work, I can simply say the effect has value -- yet unless or until you can test this out back to back with a car that does NOT have it, you may think nothing at all of this feature. It just seems to be as Mr. Tucker wanted those many years ago.
#2819 of 10348 Re: 50 miles on the road, and I'm gonna make it home tongight. . . [bondguy
Jun 26, 2005 (4:50 pm)
The M has it, too. At first, I didn't see much of a difference; it is subtle as Mark says. The xenons have such a wide beam that it makes the adaptive lighting somewhat superfluous. Does your parent's car have xenons? I would bet it is far more noticeable on standard headlights.
#2820 of 10348 Re: 50 miles on the road, and I'm gonna make it home tongight. . . [bondguy [docnukem]
Jun 26, 2005 (5:03 pm)
The xenons have such a wide beam that it makes the adaptive lighting somewhat superfluous.
Might this explain why I barely see my fog lights (02 530)? The ones on my Lexus are much more noticeable.
#2821 of 10348 Re: 50 miles on the road, and I'm gonna make it home tongight. . . [cmybimm
Jun 26, 2005 (5:08 pm)
Possibly. Because they are so much brighter, xenons are normally directed somewhat lower (to protect oncoming drivers) than standard "low" beams--kind of a cross between fogs and lows.