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Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Volvo S80, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac STS, Sedan
Jun 16, 2005 (6:24 am)
You can have a 6 speed manual with the BMW -- if these are your two choices, the BMW wins hands down on this alone. Of course if you are "shiftless," why bother with the BMW?
I know the owner of one of the BMW dealers here in Cincinnati, he was joking with me that he sends "drivers" (manual transmission) to this salesperson and "passengers" (auto transmission) to that salesperson because "never the twain shall meet" (or words to that effect.)
I asked the owner of the BMW store what his personal daily driver was (knowing that he could have any one of the BMW's on the market) he said a 2005 X3 3.0 with all options except automatic. His fun car is a 1999 M3 (also with a stick).
With some anticipation, then, I went to the grand opening and unveiling of the new 3 series -- they had 6 cars on the showroom floor. Yet, only one was a stick.
I asked "why" after the comments pertaining to auto vs stick -- the answer, "we can't keep the manual transmission versions in stock."
I breathed a sigh of relief.
Of course, here I am awaiting a new M35X with an automatic. I think I should have my head examined sometimes. I'll go out and drive my wife's X3 for my manual "fix" -- she sure as heck won't touch my automatic.
OK, enough of the manual vs auto stuff -- from what I have read, both the 3 and the GS will be fine choices. One (regardless of the transmission) is more geared toward "involved" driving (BMW) and one is geared more for "isolated" riding (Lexus). Both cars' reviews seem to be saying that their manufacturers hit the nail on the head for their respective and intended customers.
#2728 of 10348 Re: Tough choice: 2006 530xi OR Infiniti M35x [turnbowm]
Jun 16, 2005 (7:03 am)
Thank you all for the awesome feedback. I made my tough choice yesterday -- and it was the manual 530xi!
I wanted to make this decision quickly before I drove everybody around me crazy! So I went and drove the M35x first and found it to be a very solid, large, fast car with an unbelievable package of goodies and gadgetry for the price. And I was not as turned off by the exterior as the photos made me feel -- especially the picture with the car looking like a blowfish. I really liked this car and my feeling that it would be the rational choice was greatly reinforced.
Then, I went next door to a BMW dealership. Just walking up to the 5 series had me getting excited, and even before I drove a manual 5 series I knew that I was going to get it. I realized how much I missed a manual shifter, and I actually really like the low-slung cat-like look of the new 5 series. And then I drove it and could not wait to take it home!
Summary of reasons for this decision:
- Manual transmission (the xDrive with a manual is the clincher).
- Exterior looks (yes, I prefer the 5 series look).
- More connectedness to the driving experience (not that I am a race car driver or anything, but the M35x just creates too much of a cocoon).
- Cleaner, more spartan interior (I felt overwhelmed by the gadgetry and the large overwhelming center console of the M35x -- also hated the front console canted towards the top, that's a real problem for me).
You are all correct -- go with what you won't regret, and I clearly felt that if I got the M35x I would ALWAYS regret not getting the manual 5.
I am thrilled with my choice and there is no looking back!!! Yee haaa!
Shipo, thanks for the private email help along the way...
#2729 of 10348 Re: Tough choice: 2006 530xi OR Infiniti M35x [freddybb]
Jun 16, 2005 (7:57 am)
I hope someone from Audi reads your post -- the A6 with a manual would be, I think, a sales success. I know nothing of Infiniti sticks, but the M35X would seem to be begging to be sold with a stick too.
How did you equip the 530x?
#2730 of 10348 Re: Tough choice: 2006 530xi OR Infiniti M35x [markcincinnati]
Jun 16, 2005 (11:59 am)
Here's what I got for $2500 off the MSRP of $58205:
Black Sapphire metallic with gray leather interior
Cold weather package
Premium sound package
Rear side airbags
Park distance control
Jun 16, 2005 (12:01 pm)
My quest for replacement wheels for my soon-ending 2002 BMW 325i lease has ended.
I got a very good leasing deal on a 2005 BMW 545i.
The best part is I had it configured in such a way that there is no way it can be sitting on some dealer's lot since January just waiting to plague me with computer software problems.
I ordered comfort seats(try and find them on any lot!), fold down rear seat and steptronic automatic transmission. That's it.
The wonderful words I was longing to hear from the salesman when I asked him when I will get the car: "Well, the car will be built in August."
It seems that early examples of this model up to around March had software problems.
This car should be coming to me with all necessary software updates and bugs worked out.
You may want to arrest me but I have sat in several cars with iDrive and I actually found it fun. Of course, I only played around with it when the cars were parked.
#2732 of 10348 Re: Tough choice: 2006 530xi OR Infiniti M35x [freddybb]
Jun 16, 2005 (12:01 pm)
Before or after tax?
#2733 of 10348 markcincinnati
Jun 16, 2005 (9:29 pm)
Perhaps the rest of the auto industry is content to leave the stick shoppers to BMW? The $40-65K mid-lux sedan with a manual transmition has to be a pretty small niche, at least in this market. It also seems to me that the 5 is the car that would benefit most from a manual. Why make the effort to fight BMW for such a tiny slice? I think the Infiniti would be a more likely candidate for a possible stick than the Audi...but most of the sticks in G35s seem to be in coupes. I dont think its a particularly popular option for the sedan.
#2734 of 10348 Re: Tough choice: 2006 530xi OR Infiniti M35x [richcream]
Jun 17, 2005 (5:46 am)
Before tax, I believe. MSRP is always before taxes, right?
#2735 of 10348 "Behold the power of cheese. . ."
Jun 17, 2005 (7:56 am)
Never in a million years, at this point, would I have believed at this (the 11th hour) time, Audi of America would "reach out and touch me."
Never in a million years? Why?
Since my participation here on edmunds and some other "Audi centric" web logs began some years ago, I have never pulled any punches and as far as I can remember never burned any bridges (with Audi). I have complemented, defended Audis -- for the most part -- almost exclusively. Earlier this year, I was taken aback when the new Audis came out with what I perceived as a sharp price hike with respect to the cost of a lease. I was openly confused and frustrated that Audi was squandering "an opportunity" to capitalize on their newfound love affair with the world's automotive press (Best Car in the World, kind of thing, you know.)
My blogs got someone's attention at Business Week and they interviewed me for a piece they were doing on Audi (of America.) My name was prominently mentioned in a sidebar article in BW. I received dozens of emails from edmunds folks and from folks on Audi centric web log posting sites, too. I even heard from my local Audi dealer.
Perhaps you can imagine that I was pretty darn close to being shocked when I heard nothing from anyone representing Audi after my name was mentioned in the Business Week magazine article on March 14 of this year.
Yesterday an interesting phone call came to me -- Audi wants to keep me as a customer. I am cautiously optimistic about this situation and will report to this erudite audience when something "real" happens.
I am impressed that Audi has made an attempt to keep me as a customer -- for it surely seems like that is what they intend to do.
Film at eleven. . . .
#2736 of 10348 Hey..speaking of the local Audi dealer..
by kyfdx@Edmunds HOST
Jun 17, 2005 (7:59 am)
I stopped by to look at the new A3 a few weeks ago....
The salesman gave me a card that actually had his name printed on it!! Not someone else's scratched out, or anything...!!
I usually get the greenpeas....