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Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Volvo S80, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac STS, Sedan
#2571 of 10348 Re: M35x vs. RL vs. GS 300 [markcincinnati]
Jun 08, 2005 (5:42 pm)
My smart, articulate, well-educated, well-traveled & well-read wife is, sad to say, something of a technophobe. AFAIK, she has never used an ATM & she has certainly never programmed a VCR. She has mastered (barely) the TV remote control & she can do basic computer stuff (e-mail, web browsing, the occasional Word document), but she won't willingly go much beyond that.
(She can drive a stick & drive it well. In fact, she drove nothing but stick cars for more
than 15 years. But a fondness for mastering new gadgets doesn't follow from that,
Nonetheless, she admits that she has a perfectly rotten sense of direction & she agrees that her next car should come equipped with nav. I would like to see her choose either the M35x or the RL. Both of these cars are superb & I believe that she could master & quickly come to like either one.
Based on what she told me about her experience at the Infiniti store (Competition Infiniti
in Smithtown, LI), I'm inclined to suspect that her sales rep might be new to this game &
that she might have intimidated him. (Retired teachers can do that to some young guys.) A more experienced sales pro might have used her objections to the M as an opportunity to educate her about the car's many virtues, but this fellow took the easy way out & steered her toward the G. I agree with richcream: the M is the better car & is worth the higher cost.
So, we do not yet have a winner. We have plenty of time; I want to act before the return of
cold weather because I don't think that the above-mentioned Ford Taurus, purchased new in 1992, will survive 1 more winter. But that gives us 6 months.
I've suggested to my wife that she look at BMW & Mercedes to broaden her perspective,
although I'd prefer that we not have another German car in the family. (My weekend pleasure machine is an '01 BMW 330i.) But I also figure that looking at lots of cars now reduces the likelihood of buyer's remorse later on.
Jun 08, 2005 (5:57 pm)
Re your suggestion that my wife consider the LS 430: great minds think alike. I agree with you that the LS is both user-friendly & a superb highway cruiser, & I mentioned it to my wife a few weeks ago. As it happens, a friend of hers drives a late-model LS & my wife has been a front-seat passenger. Her evaluation of the car: magnificent but far too large to be her daily driver. Her tone of voice made it clear that I should not bring it up again.
Thanks anyway. My wife's views not withstanding, I've always had a high regard for the LS.
#2573 of 10348 Re: M35x vs. RL vs. GS 300 [markcincinnati]
Jun 08, 2005 (7:15 pm)
"If it can be thus with/for my 50 year old wife -- well, anyone can change."
I was thinking about my wife who is a little technology challenged but is gradually starting to go on our computer more often and is calling on me less often to set up our DVR, DVD player, or occasional VCR use, however when it comes to our cars.....she does fine with her Civic EX, loves it, is extremely comfortable any where on the road with it, has never even been written a ticket. However when it comes to MY car which I really am not hoarding the use of and would welcome her to get behind the wheel at anytime....WELL THAT'S ANOTHER STORY. She has driven the RL a couple of times with me next to her but I couldn't get her to take it on her own to save her soul. Could it be that she's afraid to put in that first ding? I've told her whatever happens happens...I'm OK with it all! She won't do it! (I'm wondering how many of you experience this.)
#2574 of 10348 kdshapiro, jimbres
Jun 08, 2005 (8:08 pm)
For a woman not interested in complex technology, the 7 series is pretty much the worst car I can think of to suggest. You'll notice I said "as a long distance cruiser" a qualifier meaning that I dont think the LS can beat a 7 in the curves. When it comes to multiple hours on the highway though, there's not another car in the world I'd rather be in. C&D agrees with me. In their last big lux sedan comparison test, a 745i managed to beat an S430, A8, and Phaeton, but came in 3rd, losing to both Jaguar and Lexus. "The Lexus ride is unmatched in this group." I agree 100%.
jimbres, from what you describe your wife to be like, I think MB or BMW would be a bad idea if she wants NAV in her car. My wife is somewhat similar when it comes to technology (I've had to program "press this button to watch a DVD movie" macro buttons into my remote in order for her to have any hope of actually operating the home theater on her own). The ML320 was one of the cars we compared to the RX300. Neither she nor I were impressed with the COMAND system. If she's considering the G, what about the TL? Or a new ES330?
#2575 of 10348 Wives and technology
Jun 08, 2005 (9:19 pm)
I've had an M35x with the premium pkg for about 2 weeks now (purchased in large part due to comments on this board, thank you) and I thought my technophobic wife would hate it. She drives a 1999 Land Cruiser (120K miles), which they'll pry from her one day, that has very little tech stuff except for a transmission/drive system I've yet to master. That said, when she drove my Infiniti she really loved the back up camera, the keyless entry (which I think women appreciate more than men who carry keys in pockets not purses) and the nav system makes finding those out of town soccer games easy for her. Had to spend a few hundred bucks buying a Garmin for her the Land Cruiser as she is now wedded to a nav system. I agree that technology can seem superfluous until you really use it, then it becomes vital. I'll never drive a car again without a nav system..BTW we both like the layout of the M35's dash; having the controls face up and staring at you like and ATM seems intuitively better than facing forward and away from the drivers face as in most cars. The dash actually was a huge selling point on the M35X for me, to each their own...
#2576 of 10348 Re: kdshapiro, jimbres [lexusguy]
Jun 08, 2005 (11:08 pm)
You'll notice I said "as a long distance cruiser" a qualifier meaning that I dont think the LS can beat a 7 in the curves. When it comes to multiple hours on the highway though, there's not another car in the world I'd rather be in.
Maybe as far as what you'd want to be in, but the S-Class wrote the book on such cross continent travel and it gives the same smooth ride with better handling a more connected feel than a LS430. Even CR (which some live by) stated that S-Class had a better ride and ride/handling combination. The S430 in the C&D comparo was a sport model with ABC, not the best riding S combo which is the base model.
Jun 08, 2005 (11:27 pm)
Well, the other reason I drive an LS is the same reason CR rates it as a "top pick", while the S-class cant even manage a "recommended" tag. No automaker has unbreakable cars, but the LS is about as close as you can get. It was a particularly fitting metaphor for the state of M-B when the CEO's own S-class couldn't find its way around Stuttgart.
#2578 of 10348 Re: merc1 [lexusguy]
Jun 08, 2005 (11:55 pm)
Well of course I knew reliability would come back up, but my point was mainly about ride comfort.
#2579 of 10348 Re: merc1 [lexusguy]
Jun 09, 2005 (4:10 am)
I read somewhere Jurgen Schrempf's car was stolen and could not be traced even using the car's GPS locator. Sorry state of affairs indeed!
#2580 of 10348 Re: kdshapiro, jimbres [lexusguy]
Jun 09, 2005 (4:33 am)
Question: Why do you think MB or BMW would be bad if she wanted NAV? The ML is newly redesigned, and the NAV system it uses is a single DVD for the entire country. I know this because my wife is about to buy one, and I was in the MB dealership last week. I assume all of their cars will be getting the new NAV system. I've also never heard complaints about BMW's NAV system. Yes, iDrive has taken plenty of heat, but not the NAV system. I guess it just shows how differently we see cars though. I test drove the RX300, and there ain't no way I'd pick it over the ML. Especially the new one.