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You are in the Sedans
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Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Volvo S80, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac STS, Sedan
#2441 of 10348 Re: bartalk3 [lexusguy]
Jun 02, 2005 (4:35 pm)
I live in central, rural Illinois and the majority of cars here are domestic. In spite of most people associating Illinois as a Democratic stronghold (thanks to Chicago and down south by St. Louis), most of the Illinois heartland is strong Republican country. There are quite a few STS's, SRX's, and even CTS's around here. Heck, I even see an occasional Catera every couple weeks, but fortunately no Cimarrons as they have rusted their way back into the soil.
As you stated, there is still a strong and loyal domestic car following across much of rural America. Lots of pickups and barge-like SUV's here, in addition to Cadillacs. Not as many, but there are also some Lincoln LS's moving off the lots here.
The nearest Acura dealer is 120 miles away. So I have the ONLY RL in my community of 100,000 people. Talk about exclusivity! There's another guy here who drives a VW Phaeton....likely the only one between here and Peoria.
Although Acura sales were up +9%, total Honda sales dropped -14% in May. Honda still only averages about $400 per car on incentives. Toyota's average is close to $1000, and the domestics are over $4500 per vehicle in rebates. Interesting announcement by GM to extend employee discounts to any consumer, in their attempts to distance themselves from these huge incentives. Not sure if the gambit is going to work.
The $599 lease on the RL (with around $3500 down) is not that great of a deal, relatively speaking. They could sweeten the pot some more if they really felt they needed to. It will be interesting to watch as we approach the release of the 2006 RL.
#2442 of 10348 Re: bartalk3 [cstiles]
Jun 02, 2005 (6:14 pm)
cstiles: I also have the (mis)fortune of living in rural (well, smallish town) central Illinois at the moment. Coincidence. The nearest Acura dealer to us is in Chicago, about 120 miles northeast of here on I55 (does that convey where we are?)
When I was considering an Acura, I was told by both their 800 number headquarters and by a Chicago Acura dealer that if you have an Acura and live more than about 70 miles from an Acura dealer, any local Honda dealer will service your car and honor your warranty.
Whether Honda mechanics know what's what about the complicated RL, I don't know, but it's reassuring that warranty work is as close as your nearest Honda dealer.
#2443 of 10348 Re: bartalk3 [bartalk3]
Jun 02, 2005 (7:39 pm)
Small world...I'm an Oregon Duck "stuck" in Bloomington! But we like it here as it's a good place to raise 3 young kids. Joe Rizza is the closest dealer to us up in Orland Park. Someday there has to be an Acura dealer to serve Peoria, Champaign, Blm-Normal, and Springfield. Someone should be able to make a mint doing that. Take care!
#2444 of 10348 Re: bartalk3 [cstiles]
Jun 02, 2005 (8:18 pm)
Very small world. Yes, nice place to raise kids and lots of affordable housing... I don't think I've seen your car around town. What color is it? Occasionally I see a stray TL, True, there should be an Acura dealer serving this area. I assume you bought your car at Joe Rizza. Do you take it there for service or warranty work? Has that been inconvenient, or have you not had many repair/warranty problems? I'm considering a Lexus GS; Peoria dealer is fairly accessible, but they have limited supply and aren't very flexible on price, I think.
#2445 of 10348 Re: Sales [richcream]
Jun 02, 2005 (11:00 pm)
What's faster?: The E55 or the CLS 55?
They should be the same, but I'd bet the E55 is .2 secs faster due to being a little lighter.
#2446 of 10348 Re: drtravel [lexusguy]
Jun 02, 2005 (11:02 pm)
The 3.5L 6 may be new, but the E class is much older than the 5 series.
Only one model year older.
#2447 of 10348 Re: bartalk3 [bartalk3]
Jun 03, 2005 (4:48 am)
Yep, we got ours at Rizza. Our RL only has 3000 miles and so far, no problems at all. My wife drives it 80% and she works at SF Corp. I'm at the SF IL office. I know a few people who have dealt with Lexus of Peoria, and deals are definitely available. Not sure about the GS since it's still fairly new, but I bet you could swing a decent deal if you were serious. Over the years, I've dealt with Sud's (Audi), Barker (my Honda), and Leman (Mazda). Take care.
#2448 of 10348 Re: bartalk3 [cstiles]
Jun 03, 2005 (4:59 am)
Not trying to start an argument on this, but I think we should stay away from generalizations about the car buying habits of Republicans and Democrats. I live in the 'burbs of Chicago which are also strongly Republican, and I see mostly foreign cars here. In fact, I moved here from NY about a year and a half ago and I can't believe how Republican it is. Anyway, it seems that everyone my wife is related to or knows are Republicans and I can't think of many that don't drive either BMW's or Mercedes. That one guy with the Phaeton may be the only person in the state with one actually! VW has probably only sold enough of them to have one in each state. All of this being said however, I do see quite a few Caddie's here which was surprising when I first moved here.
Jun 03, 2005 (5:07 am)
"Whether Honda mechanics know what's what about the complicated RL, I don't know, but it's reassuring that warranty work is as close as your nearest Honda dealer."
The RL does share some basic componentry with the Accord, and I'm sure that any Honda shop would be familiar with the 3.5L engine. Wether they could fix some of the more complicated electronics or SH-AWD parts, that I'm not sure about.
#2450 of 10348 Re: maxhonda99 [chef_jmr]
Jun 03, 2005 (5:19 am)
"However, one must take into account the production numbers. If Audi is only producing 1400 cars/month for our market,"
Manufacturer's supply the necessary amount of products based on demand. It's not like Audi is Ferrari, where they purposely keep supply levels way below demand levels.