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Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Volvo S80, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac STS, Sedan
#2430 of 10348 Re: maxhonda99 [lexusguy]
Jun 02, 2005 (7:16 am)
"Youch. Just 1300 A6s? That means they've lost to Acura for last place, not good for Audi. "
Yeah, as I said, not good for Audi. Their cars constantly get good ratings but it seems their sales, overall, are going down. The previous generation Audi A4 used to sell around 4K units a month, now they are down to about 2K/month. The A6 was pretty competitive with the Lexus GS in sales numbers around 1998 to 1999. Now that has fallen off also. They need that Q7 SUV ASAP.
#2431 of 10348 Re: Sales [jrock65]
Jun 02, 2005 (9:00 am)
March thru May total sales
5 = 12,131
E = 10,908
STS = 9,841
GS = 9,548
M = 6,711
A6 = 4,629
RL = 4,084
Total = 57,852
Considering that brand new E's, GS's and M's were introduced in March, it's quite a testiment that the "old" 5 has still outsold them all.
#2432 of 10348 Re: maxhonda99 [maxhonda99]
Jun 02, 2005 (9:32 am)
I don't know what numbers you guys are looking at, but Audi reported 7,102 year-to-date A6 sales, compared to same period 2004 of 5,376, that is an increase of 32.1%!!!
I don't think Audi is fretting over those numbers... Assuming last year there were more incentives to purge their inventories to make way for the "new" A6, the -4.7% loss on month-to-month (May '05/May '04) is inconsequential. The year-to-date for the new model is more important to corporate. (And the numbers I am looking at are only for the US, the EU is eating up these cars...)
I would be more concerned about the TT figures, down 44.2%.
Check out Fourtitude.com for the sales figures.
Jun 02, 2005 (12:51 pm)
Uh. brand new E? The 3.5L 6 may be new, but the E class is much older than the 5 series. As for the GS and M, I think both Lexus and Infiniti are very pleased with their sales performance. Lexus especially is within a few hundred cars of the LONG established leaders, and Infiniti's performance is remarkable considering the last M was a joke that sold about 8 cars a month.
#2434 of 10348 Sales Surprises
Jun 02, 2005 (1:06 pm)
What's really surprising about these sales figures are: 1) the strong showing of the 5 Series, despite lots of bad press and huge, new Japanese competition; 2) the high sales of the E, despite all kinds of reliability problems, and 3) the amazing strength of the Cadillac, despite GM's woes and their mediocre ratings in the magazine comparos. Who's buying the STS anyway? Certainly not senior De Ville buyers. Conquests from Germany and Japan? That seems unlikely, too.
#2435 of 10348 Re: maxhonda99 [chef_jmr]
Jun 02, 2005 (1:19 pm)
"but Audi reported 7,102 year-to-date A6 sales, compared to same period 2004 of 5,376, that is an increase of 32.1%!!! "
The average for the year is about 1,400/month. Compared to the competition it's not doing well. The last time the A6 was redesigned in the late 90's, it was selling in much greater numbers, on average it's first few years it was doing about 2 to 3K/month in the US.
#2436 of 10348 Re: Sales [drtravel]
Jun 02, 2005 (1:27 pm)
Interesting how folks read sales numbers and interpret what they want. If you look at the May sales vs. April sales every model except the RL dropped off in total, and the 5 's numbers were off the most with a 21% drop.
#2437 of 10348 Re: Sales [jjacura]
Jun 02, 2005 (1:47 pm)
Like just about every other way to compare cars, sales numbers can be misleading for several reasons. If we take a given month from one year and compare the sales the next year and look only at the numbers we may be missing some ingredients. Such as, were most dealers offering greater incentives in either year? Or what year in the model's lifespan each year represents. Or what the overall economy is like. I would say that from a company finance perspective, most companies look at quarterly rather than monthly results. So it's probably more important to Acura, BMW, Audi, Infiniti and Lexus to look at quarterly numbers. A down month doesn't necessarily indicate a bad quarter. Overall I would think that if car companies hit their quarterly and annual sales goals for given models they are happy. BTW, thanks to all for the help with the Dell/iPod question. I'd really hate to have to get rid of the Dell and load everything onto an IPod!
Jun 02, 2005 (2:46 pm)
Are 5 and E really so strong? How long have these models been around vs. GS? There's not much of a spread between 1st and 4th place. While I'm impressed with what GS and M have been able to accomplish so far, its still way to early to really get an idea of whats going to happen in the segment. The real story will be 2-3 years from now. Will GS and M be able to maintain their numbers, or will they repeat history and fall off the radar screen?
I'm not that surprised by the STS. There's still an entire generation of people that wont consider anything but American, and since the LS is basically a joke at this point, that makes it "which cadillac would you like to buy today, sir?" How did the Seville do during its life sales wise? It didnt exactly light the magazines on fire, but I certainly see plenty on the road, and I'm willing to bet most Seville owners would be happy to upgrade to an STS. Also, the STS enjoys fleet sales that really arent available to other cars in the class.
#2439 of 10348 Re: bartalk3 [lexusguy]
Jun 02, 2005 (3:31 pm)
"Since the LS is basically a joke at this point."
Do you have the latest sales figures month over month for the LS? I didn't see them in the list.
The 5 really took a beating. The only language they apparently understand at BMW. But one month does not a trend make.
With all the negative feedback on iDrive from consumers and auto rags, a BMW executive came out recently with "iDrive is here to stay."