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What is this discussion about? Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Volvo S80, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac STS, Sedan


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Re: Celebrity endorsements [ksoman] by hpowders
May 25, 2005 (12:03 pm)
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Replying to: ksoman (May 25, 2005 10:31 am)

It's a mind game at the highest level particularly. But "it don't mean a thing if you don't have that swing."
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Re: Buick [jjacura] by warthog
May 25, 2005 (12:40 pm)
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Replying to: jjacura (May 25, 2005 7:01 am)

Tiger played a tournament in my city (Charlotte) a few weeks ago. The local MB dealer was a sponsor and furnished new Benzes to the top guys for their use during the tourney. My impression was that they drove themselves, but I didn't actually see any of them at the local Burger King. In any case, Tiger wasn't in a Buick.
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Infiniti M45 Comparison Tests by suvguy2005
May 25, 2005 (2:15 pm)
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The M45 has yet to lose a comparison test.
 
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=31&article_id=2221&page_number=1
 
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=15&article_id=9391
 
http://motortrend.com/roadtests/luxury/112_0505_risingsun/index.html
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Re: Infiniti M45 Comparison Tests [suvguy2005] by msu79gt82
May 25, 2005 (2:27 pm)
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Replying to: suvguy2005 (May 25, 2005 1:15 pm)

Thanks for the links.
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Re: Infiniti M45 Comparison Tests [msu79gt82] by cstiles
May 25, 2005 (2:44 pm)
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Replying to: msu79gt82 (May 25, 2005 1:27 pm)

Don't forget this one...
 
http://motortrend.com/roadtests/sedan/112_0503_6degrees/
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Re: Infiniti M45 Comparison Tests [cstiles] by cstiles
May 25, 2005 (2:48 pm)
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Replying to: cstiles (May 25, 2005 1:44 pm)

Or this one...
 
http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/sedans/0505_sport_sedans_comparo/
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Re: Infiniti M45 Comparison Tests [suvguy2005] by maxhonda99
May 25, 2005 (4:45 pm)
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Replying to: suvguy2005 (May 25, 2005 1:15 pm)

Well, if a car comes in 2nd or even 3rd place in a comparison test, can you really call it losing? Just a look at the number ratings show how close all the cars are. not to mention the cars place where they place because of the editor's personal preferences. Different people look for different things in a car, the road test placements mean very little.
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Re: Infiniti M45 Comparison Tests [maxhonda99] by cstiles
May 25, 2005 (6:02 pm)
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Replying to: maxhonda99 (May 25, 2005 3:45 pm)

Although one cannot deny the consistently strong showings by the new M, I totally agree with you. Most of these comparison tests also conclude that the results are very close, and that virtually all of the cars are excellent in their own right. For everyday use, and for what typical consumers expect in a luxury performance automobile, just about all of these cars delivers in spades.
 
The major auto rags also have an admitted bias toward speed and performance(with the possible exception of Automobile Magazine, which follows its own drummer and the musings of David E. Davis). Keeping that bias in mind, it's not surprising that the Infiniti scores so highly, thanks to horsepower, powertrain, handling dynamics, and braking performance.
 
And relatively speaking, the M presents a good value proposition compared to its competitors. And it's also a new flavor that dares to zig where others zag. The new kid in the sandbox who shows up with the cool new toys will get his due.
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cstiles: good point by bartalk3
May 25, 2005 (7:42 pm)
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Good point: the car mags are biased toward speed and performance, and their ratings reflect primarily that.
 
 That's probably why the GS300 has been pretty much neglected. Not blazing speed. Buyers, however, may value other things such as ride, comfort, quiet, luxury, reliability, etc. So the car mags ratings must be taken with a couple of grains of you know what. CR, for my money, has the best balanced ratings, though in contrast to the car mags, speed and performance are definitely not their prime rating criteria. Handling, however, they do test and value.
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M45 Sport vs. 545i Sport by lexusguy
May 25, 2005 (9:56 pm)
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I think Road and Track's "Rocking the establishment" review was the most interesting of the recent comparison tests. Price really wasnt a factor in this one, they took Infiniti's best, and BMW's best (short of the M5 of course), and came up with a winner...and it was the M45.
 
For the record, it has lost though, Edmunds stupidly picked the GS430 as "Japan's best sports sedan", immediately after calling it the least sporty of Japan's three entries. Automobile's choice was the A6. The fact that the M45 has won such an overwhelming number of comparisons and has gotten such praise across the board is amazing though. Its not "Japan's best car". Its the best car in the segment. Period.

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