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#2281 of 10006 Re: JD Power [cmybimmergo] by kyfdx HOST May 19, 2005 (12:42 pm)
Replying to: cmybimmergo (May 19, 2005 12:39 pm) Ummm.. CR ranked your car the best they had ever tested...
#2282 of 10006 Re: merc1 [lexusguy] by jjacura May 19, 2005 (1:06 pm)
Replying to: lexusguy (May 18, 2005 7:38 pm) Guys, It's a bias thing...for some reason some of us develop them and it shows. Replies to this message: markcincinnati (May 19, 2005 1:09 pm) jjacura (May 19, 2005 6:35 pm)
#2283 of 10006 Re: merc1 [jjacura] by markcincinnati May 19, 2005 (1:09 pm)
Replying to: jjacura (May 19, 2005 1:06 pm) Say it ain't so. Replies to this message: jjacura (May 19, 2005 6:35 pm)
#2284 of 10006 Re: JD Power [cmybimmergo] by bartalk3 May 19, 2005 (2:22 pm)
Replying to: cmybimmergo (May 19, 2005 12:39 pm) CR has a bias against anything that costs more? Don't we all have the same bias? Why pay more for something that's no better than something that costs less? That's just common sense.    When the best is also the most expensive, they say so: For example, they say that the Lexus 430 is one of the best cars they ever tested, along with, I think. the Mercedes S and the old BMW 5 Series. Not exactly cheap transportation. Replies to this message: cmybimmergo (May 19, 2005 3:08 pm) markcincinnati (May 20, 2005 7:05 am)
#2285 of 10006 Re: JD Power [bartalk3], [kyfdx] by cmybimmergo May 19, 2005 (3:08 pm)
Replying to: bartalk3 (May 19, 2005 2:22 pm) Hokay, I knew you were going to say this. I did qualify my statement by stating that it's been awhile since I've followed them. And yes, to some extent we all look for a bargain when practical. (I pick up pennies in the street, too.) That said, I have read CR ratings time and again that dismissed certain items solely because the good folks at CR felt they were too expensive. In at least some of those cases, I was very familiar with the products in question, and I felt they were well worth the extra expense.
#2286 of 10006 cmybimmergo by lexusguy May 19, 2005 (6:25 pm)
CR is useful for certain things and not so much for others. I agree that for things like washing machines, vacuum cleaners, etc. they are a great resource. As for autos, the reliability info is nice, and I like the fact that they push car makers to make safer cars by not recommending cars that dont do well in government or insurance crash tests, and testing for things like roll over of trucks and SUVs long before the government started that (the Suzuki Samurai that CR went to court over is a good example of this).   Still, its just information from CR subscribers. I find it funny when people get bent out of shape or think there's something sinister or an agenda behind it (like CR hates domestic auto for example). Its just info. Take it or leave it. Replies to this message: bartalk3 (May 19, 2005 6:36 pm) cmybimmergo (May 19, 2005 7:08 pm) ksoman (May 20, 2005 7:51 am) jjacura (May 20, 2005 2:11 pm)
#2287 of 10006 Re: merc1 [markcincinnati] by jjacura May 19, 2005 (6:35 pm)
Replying to: markcincinnati (May 19, 2005 1:09 pm) "Say it ain't so. "    ...and some of us leave our biases behind...gulp...
#2288 of 10006 Re: cmybimmergo [lexusguy] by bartalk3 May 19, 2005 (6:36 pm)
Replying to: lexusguy (May 19, 2005 6:25 pm) I agree CR is useful for some things, less useful for others. For high-end hobby equipment, for example, stereo equipment, cameras, camcorders, etc. CR is less useful.   The reason is their audience is mainstream middle-class families with youngish kids, not people who want to buy $2,000 digital cameras, $3,000 camcorders, or $5,000 loudspeakers, etc. Replies to this message: cmybimmergo (May 19, 2005 7:08 pm) ksoman (May 20, 2005 7:51 am) jjacura (May 20, 2005 2:11 pm)
#2289 of 10006 bartalk3 by lexusguy May 19, 2005 (6:54 pm)
"For high-end hobby equipment, for example, stereo equipment, cameras, camcorders, etc. CR is less useful."   I would say pretty much useLESS. Just a single score with little to no information is no way to shop for things like digital cameras, especially when there are so many different factors that weigh more with different people. CNET is very useful for entry to mid-level electronics. Beyond that, you have to go to the pros.
#2290 of 10006 Re: cmybimmergo [bartalk3] [lexusguy] by cmybimmergo May 19, 2005 (7:08 pm)
Replying to: bartalk3 (May 19, 2005 6:36 pm) The reason is their audience is mainstream middle-class families with youngish kids, not people who want to buy $2,000 digital cameras, $3,000 camcorders, or $5,000 loudspeakers, etc.   Exactly. Hence the bias. But I agree that it's like anything else...you take out of it what is useful to you, and disregard the rest.

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