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Re: JD Power [cstiles] by bartalk3
May 19, 2005 (8:05 am)
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Replying to: cstiles (May 19, 2005 7:44 am)

I agree completely with you on JD Power. They are a marketing organization, and their surveys are not completely disinterested and independent. I seem to recall that at one point, anyway, they only listed those models that ranked "above average" and omitted those ranked in the lower half. The reason: not to offend anybody. That compromises their integrity, in my view.
 
CR, on the other hand, IS truly independent. They are not dependent on pleasing any manufacturers. Their revenue comes from reader subscriptions, not from the companies whose products they test. They do make money (which pays their employees, pays for their research facilities, and finances their publications), but they are as non-profit as you can get, i.e., their primary purpose is not to make money but to evaluate products and report their results to the public. They've been doing that since 1936. Their politcal agenda, if they have one, is consumer protection. In a world of advertising hype and rampant conflicts of interest, they are about as trustworthy as you can get.
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Re: JD Power [bartalk3] by cstiles
May 19, 2005 (11:43 am)
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Replying to: bartalk3 (May 19, 2005 8:05 am)

Yes, I agree that CR is independent, but because of their overt alliance with "consumer protection" issues, they are in bed with many political action, lobbying, consumer interest organizations, and industry organizations, both formally and informally. CR subscribers also tend to fit certain demographics (age, education, income, political affiliation), and CR is careful to continue to maximize their revenues with this captive group.
 
I'm not criticizing them....they are what they are. They are best when they are testing and ranking washing machines. But lately they have flexed their muscle into political issues that run the risk of diluting their strengths. It's the old paradigm of wanting to get larger, more influential, and more successful, but there's a price to be paid in going there.
 
And, they ranked the BMW 5-series so highly, so they MUST be a little bit nuts (just kidding).....
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Re: JD Power initial quality survey results are out... [cdnpinhead] by syswei
May 19, 2005 (12:16 pm)
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Replying to: cdnpinhead (May 18, 2005 3:46 pm)

where are these "5-year dependability studies" found?
 
go here: http://www.jdpower.com/cc/auto/index.jsp
then click "press releases" on the left and then type in "dependability" in the search box. Note that some years ago they changed from 5-year to 3-year timeframes.
 
another nice feature is to click on "automobile ratings" in the second column (instead of "press releases")
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Re: JD Power initial quality survey results are out... [syswei] by cdnpinhead
May 19, 2005 (12:27 pm)
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Replying to: syswei (May 19, 2005 12:16 pm)

Thank you.
 
Interesting stuff. Looks like my Lincoln may last until I'm tired of it.
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Re: JD Power [cstiles] by cmybimmergo
May 19, 2005 (12:39 pm)
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Replying to: cstiles (May 19, 2005 11:43 am)

I have always felt that CR has a thinly veiled agenda. Their bias is against anything that costs a little more. I recognize that the most expensive is not automatically the best, but they seem to be of the opinion that the most expensive isn't ever the best. (At least, they used to be. I haven't kept up with them lately, not being in the market for anything they would be rating.)
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Re: JD Power [cmybimmergo] by kyfdx HOST
May 19, 2005 (12:42 pm)
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Replying to: cmybimmergo (May 19, 2005 12:39 pm)

Ummm.. CR ranked your car the best they had ever tested...
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Re: merc1 [lexusguy] by jjacura
May 19, 2005 (1:06 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (May 18, 2005 7:38 pm)

Guys, It's a bias thing...for some reason some of us develop them and it shows.
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Re: merc1 [jjacura] by markcincinnati
May 19, 2005 (1:09 pm)
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Replying to: jjacura (May 19, 2005 1:06 pm)

Say it ain't so.
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Re: JD Power [cmybimmergo] by bartalk3
May 19, 2005 (2:22 pm)
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Replying to: cmybimmergo (May 19, 2005 12:39 pm)

CR has a bias against anything that costs more? Don't we all have the same bias? Why pay more for something that's no better than something that costs less? That's just common sense.
 
 When the best is also the most expensive, they say so: For example, they say that the Lexus 430 is one of the best cars they ever tested, along with, I think. the Mercedes S and the old BMW 5 Series. Not exactly cheap transportation.
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Re: JD Power [bartalk3], [kyfdx] by cmybimmergo
May 19, 2005 (3:08 pm)
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Replying to: bartalk3 (May 19, 2005 2:22 pm)

Hokay, I knew you were going to say this. I did qualify my statement by stating that it's been awhile since I've followed them. And yes, to some extent we all look for a bargain when practical. (I pick up pennies in the street, too.) That said, I have read CR ratings time and again that dismissed certain items solely because the good folks at CR felt they were too expensive. In at least some of those cases, I was very familiar with the products in question, and I felt they were well worth the extra expense.

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