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I agree with Max that the IQS study really doesnt mean too much except for cars that literally fail right off the lot. For example M-B did very well, but we wont know until these '05 cars reach the 3 year study level if Mercedes really has improved quality that much over the awful '03 and '04 cars. While Audi did well, VW apparently still has A LOT of work to do. I'll bet the Cayenne\Toureg dragged down any improvements they've made. cmybimmergo, what a great world that would be.
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Replying to: maxhonda99 (May 18, 2005 12:58 pm) I'm about to begin my sixth year with my most recent car, and this is when the fun can begin. My last car was pretty decent through four years, after which it stranded me twice. I get a chuckle (at a minimum) from people who boast about the "reliability" of the car they've had six months, or weeks. Tell me about 150 - 200K miles and/or 10 years. By the bye, where are these "5-year dependability studies" found? They're going to tell me what I need to know. Hmmm. . .I'm guessing we're going to have to wait about six years to get anything worthwhile regarding most of the cars that are most discussed here, and I'm probably going to get an itchy trigger finger in 2-3 years. Oh well. . .
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Replying to: cmybimmergo (May 18, 2005 12:53 pm) This is very true. The funny part is that the police here couldn't believe what their radar was telling them. They actually went to a Honda dealer to confirm that the particular bike he was riding could actually do 160mph. They didn't have a clue. He got a 1 year suspension of his license and 30 days in jail for that little stunt. I'll try see if I can find the story. Lexusguy, I agree that the IQS really doesn't speak much about long-term reliability/durability, but still I'm shocked to see Acura barely clear the average. It must be those stories on other forums about the RL's awd system locking up. Mercedes' improvement here should, and I say should equal some improvement in 2008 when the 2005 cars are looked at in the dependability study. Fingers crossed. M |
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Why does the media make such a fuss about J.D. Power reliability surveys? Ninety days, indeed. Ridiculous. Absurd. The best reliability data come from Consumers Union annual survey of tens of thousands of car owners across the country. Both in terms of sophisticated statistical analysis and sheer comprehensiveness, they have no equal. (P.S. about The RL. If you read that problems board, you'll see that there have been innumerable electronics glitches and gremlins that have plagued the car since its launch).
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Replying to: lexusguy (May 18, 2005 3:00 pm) merc1, what these guys don't realize is that stupidity is not macho; it's just stupid. (But it makes for great press.) |
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Replying to: bartalk3 (May 18, 2005 5:44 pm) You do realize that JD Powers surveys and Consumer Reports surveys come to similar conclusions on a consistent basis? |
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Yeah it is strange, it appears that Acura is slipping lately. CR obviously has no data on the '05 RL yet, but the '04 Acura TL's ratings aren't that great. The RL is significantly more complicated electronically than the TL, and then there's that whole untested AWD system thrown into the mix. It doesnt bode well for the RL's reliability.
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Replying to: bartalk3 (May 18, 2005 5:44 pm) The first 90 days of ownership applies to the J. D. Power Initial Quality Survey, NOT the Reliability Survey. Agree with you on the Consumers Union (Consumers Report) reliability data. Martin |
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The Initial Quality Survey (IQS) is mostly about fit and finish. Is everything put together right, aligned, and rattle free initially? There are occasional complaints in the first 90 days about more serious issues, but its mostly about fit and finish. The Vehicle Dependability Study (VDS) on the other hand is about the reliability of 3 year old vehicles. This is about how well vehicles hold up over the course of a typical lease. Both surveys give good information that rivals CR, but if you confuse the two surveys all you get is garbage. Some people should not use information without adult supervision. Enjoy, cybersol
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Replying to: cybersol (May 18, 2005 8:58 pm) Some people should not use this information at all. Lies, damn lies, and statistics. |
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