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Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Volvo S80, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac STS, Sedan
#2185 of 10348 Re: hpowders, richcream [lexusguy]
May 13, 2005 (6:56 pm)
I drove the 545, GS 430 and M45. Two of them were satisfying drives.
The GS handles very well and most people would be quite satisfied with its power, very good steering and cornering. As a BMW owner, I was impressed. If you drive the autobahn and take curves at 80 mph, then the GS is not your car since its electronic aids will kick in and prevent you from achieving your goals. This car was my favorite of the 3.
The M45 sport handled great too but its raspy engine noise when accelerating hard proved annoying. I also found its suspension quite jolting. It was a lot of fun to drive. I took a curve quite fast and was impressed at how quickly the car recovered and achieved stable straight line motion. But I think as an everyday vehicle, the novelty would quickly wear off.
The 545 was least impressive probably because it had the annoying active steering. Its acceleration and suspension were great but I could corner better with my 325. I also found the dash intimidating.
I drove my brother-in-law's 2003 530i(the car CR gushed as being as close to perfect a car as their measurements allowed) last year and also came away unimpressed-the steering wasn't sharp and I didn't find the car very stable through the turns.
I will drive the new 330i next and as long as I don't look at the rear end, I should be okay. This one may be the answer but given BMW's decline in reliability, who knows what's in store with this new model.
G-d help us!
In closing, let me say that both Infiniti and BMW have very high residuals and decent money factors for the M45 and 545 for those who lease. Not so for Lexus and the GS. One can get a better leasing deal nowadays on the LS since one can negotiate 10-12% off MSRP.
#2186 of 10348 acura rl v/s lexus gs 300 awd
May 13, 2005 (9:48 pm)
i have narrowed down my choice to these two cars. like the nav in rl but the rear camera in the lexus. the acura lease is about 725 - 750 for 4 years and the lexus is around 800. any thoughts have others compared the two.is the acura as much fun. the lexus name and reliability and the service may be a plus. any suggestions welcome
May 13, 2005 (10:19 pm)
Interesting. I didnt have those issues with my M45 tester. I cant explain the engine noise, but perhaps your tester's tires were over-inflated? That seems to be a problem that a lot of people are having with Ms, and causes a rougher than normal ride.
What do you think of the 2006 IS350?
#2188 of 10348 Re: hpowders, richcream [hpowders]
May 14, 2005 (1:26 am)
Does your BIL's 530 have the sport package? e39 530s are a joy to drive, and I love how mine (02) corners. If my front passenger seat weren't inhabited by unsecured paraphernalia, I'd probably go faster through the turns.
#2189 of 10348 Re: hpowders [lexusguy]
May 14, 2005 (3:54 am)
I will try and drive both the GS430 and the M45 again and see if my impressions change.
I would like to try the IS 350 also but I only have 'til the middle of July to make a decision.
The salesman showed me the tire pressure data(which I thought was pretty neat) for the M45 I was driving and one tire was slightly under, the others were fine.
Some time this upcoming week I will visit my friendly inflated money factoring BMW dealer to try the new 330i.
#2190 of 10348 Re: hpowders, richcream [cmybimmergo]
May 14, 2005 (3:56 am)
No sports package and there could lie the problem.
#2191 of 10348 Re: hpowders [lexusguy]
May 14, 2005 (5:39 am)
What will probably eliminate the M for me is the alarming number of posters on the M thread who are complaining of strange noises and smells. Poor gas mileage too. I have yet to see one complaint from any 2006 GS owner regarding the above.
#2192 of 10348 Re: hpowders, richcream [hpowders]
May 14, 2005 (6:39 am)
A couple of things. No way your 325 outhandles the 545. I had the 330xi before the 545 and the 545 can run circles around it. I realize that active steering takes some getting used to, but at higher speeds it's nearly impossible to tell the difference between it and standard steering. The difference is most evident at lower speeds. The dash was "intimidating"? Interesting. I don't think a dashboard has ever scared me before. As far as reliability goes, from what I can tell the E60 has been a pretty reliable new model release. There were some recalls right when it first came out, but I haven't heard anything about reliability issues with it in a while. Remember, you can't compare a newly released model to a model at the end of its lifecycle. You would expect the old 5 to be more reliable since it was around for a long time so they had time to work out the kinks. The E60 is really only in its second year.
#2193 of 10348 Re: hpowders, richcream [rich545]
by kyfdx@Edmunds HOST
May 14, 2005 (8:51 am)
You can't really compare a 330xi to a 325i with sport package.. The 330xi is a big pig in comparison (no offense to 330xi owners, it stilll outhandles 90% of other cars)...
The 545i might be faster than the 325i... but, not better handling.. The only way it can run rings around a 325i sport, is in a straight line...
#2194 of 10348 Re: hpowders [hpowders]
May 14, 2005 (9:26 am)
Before making any decisions based on what Edmund Forum posters say one has to keep in perspective what type of people likely post. I would guess that the Infiniti crowd is far more passionate and less forgiving about their Ms than the Lexus poster would be. Ergo, if the same little problem occured in both vehicles, it will probably receive much more poster coverage in the Infiniti group as compared to the Lexus group. Also what percentage of owners of each vehicle is actually using the Edmunds Forums? Again I would guess that you would find a larger percentage of Infiniti owners posting in comparison to Lexus owners (except for the IS). If a Lexus customer has an issue they are complaining to their dealer and are not posting it here. IMHO.
If you read enough of the posters comments you can quickly discover what motivates them to post. You'll also discover that some people are completely biased one way or the other while still others just don't seem to have a clue : (
I have posted messages regarding the strange noises but then again I'm far more sensitive to noises than your average Joe. But I have found out that I'm the exception rather than the rule. If you consider any exceptional issue to be "alarming" - well that's your choice. My Lexus sedan also had minor noises but I just turned up the radio. Check out the RX330 forum for even more Lexus noise issues. The smell issues you are referring to are normal burn off of packing oils - they go away. The gas mileage - yes I wish it was higher.
Drive all the cars and buy the one that fits your personality.