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Replying to: kdshapiro (May 04, 2005 8:56 am)
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Replying to: hpowders (May 04, 2005 8:58 am)  But honestly, I'm a long time CR reader and when I buy a new car I buy what feels right. Not what CR, C&D, Motor Trend liked or disliked.
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Replying to: kdshapiro (May 04, 2005 9:01 am) But I always fully vet my Whirlpool appliances there first! Maybe I'll start paying attention to frequency of repair reports now that I've gone from German to Japanese. 
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Replying to: kyfdx (May 04, 2005 8:57 am) The Lexus breakdown was interesting, too, I wonder how many were AWD. I keep reading about virtually any of the brands that are now offering AWD, that the market for AWD sedans -- 300C, Ford Five Hundred, M35(X) and BMW X's, etc -- is greater than "expected." My BMW dealer claims the 5x's (not a typo) are expected to sharply increase the popularity of the 5's (more than they are now? I wonder). My wife's BMW sales rep said she has "many" 5X's already on order "sight unseen" by their perspective owners. "This is just the vehicle we've been waiting for." Time will tell, eh? Didn't seem to help Acura as much as I would've expected, tho -- but as a previous poster said, the RL had a long way to go to "come back" -- so, relatively speaking, it's all good (for Acura).
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Replying to: markcincinnati (May 04, 2005 9:26 am) I think that sales rep is correct.... AWD is going to make BMW sales take off.. and, just in time, too... with the GS and M models coming out with it...
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Replying to: kdshapiro (May 04, 2005 9:01 am) I e-mailed CR requesting an explanation to support the unreliable label with empirical data and they wrote me that compared to an "average" 2004 hypothetical model, the 2004 5 series comes out worse than the model, hence it cannot be recommended.
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CR checks all individual reliability data from owners against an average for all cars rated that year. Some areas, like transmission, are weighted more heavily than others. Even if a car does "pretty well", if most other cars that year did better, it wont get the "recommended" tag. Here's CR's words on it: "Sometimes a vehicle (especially a 2004 model) will have seemingly high Ratings, such as full red or half-red, in the 14 trouble spots, but gets a below-average (X) reliability verdict. That’s because at least some of the trouble-spot Ratings didn’t compare well with the average ratings for that model year, as shown in the average vehicle chart. For instance, the 2004 Saab 9-3 was rated full-red in nine categories half-red in four categories, and white in one category. By comparing that with the Ratings for the average 2004 model, you can see that the 9-3's Ratings are worse than the average in five areas, one of which--transmission--is weighted more heavily. The result is a below-average (X) reliability verdict." According to CR's average 2004 vehicle chart, vehicles must get full red (meaning less than 2.0% of owners reported problems in this area) in every catergory and half red in the body integrity catergory (2 - 5% owners reported problems) in order to make the "average" reliability cut. The 2004 5 series got a white circle in "Power equipment" meaning 5-9% of owners reported problems in that area, which killed any chance it would've had for a recommended tag. |
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Replying to: kyfdx (May 04, 2005 9:35 am) Claims the only thing more dangerous on the (wet, slick, whatever) highway than a BMW is being on foot on the highway. Several of my friends abandoned their BMW's for FWD, SUV or "pickuptruck" cars because they "were useless" in the moderate winters that we have here in SW Ohio. The BMW sales rep seemed genuinely pleased to have the X3, X5, 3x and now 5x to sell -- she says the 5x (with its expected $2K upcharge for AWD, plus its new 255HP 3.0L engine) will "hurt" Audi's sales (presumably of the new A6 and of the new A4 with both new 3 and 5 coming to market with AWD, 2 engine choices and stick shift availability). I imagine she is right. She pokes "a bit" at me for getting the M35X (but truth be told my BMW sales rep drives a G35X herself -- until, as she says, the lease runs out later this year -- she's been with BMW for about 1+ years).
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Replying to: kyfdx (May 04, 2005 9:35 am) |
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Replying to: markcincinnati (May 04, 2005 7:12 am) OTOH, if your source is something like that, I'd be surprised that you took it at face value. If the figures are for real, they exist on another source somewhere.
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