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What is this discussion about? Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Volvo S80, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac STS, Sedan


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sales by jrock65
May 03, 2005 (9:44 pm)
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None of this is really THAT surprising to me.
 
5: The big seller is the 525i, accounting for 42% of 5 series sales. The new 3.0 215 hp engine is sufficient for most people. A well equipped 525i comes well under $50k, and with BMW's low lease rates, it's easy to see why this is popular. With the AWD versions just now being sold, I wouldn't be that surprised to see sales even increase.
 
E: I suspect that the CLS and the GS is taking a bite out of its sales.
 
STS: There are still quite a few people who want a big, roomy sedan in this segment that says "American luxury", and only the STS offers that. This is still the US, and still a lot of loyal Cadillac buyers out there.
 
GS: For people who want luxury over sport, along with some prestige and reliability, this is the only choice. Plus the unparalleled dealer network.
 
M: Doing pretty well in uncharted territory for Infiniti. The Infiniti name is its biggest drawback in this status conscious segment. Plus, it may be too sporty for a lot of the 40 and 50 year olds, who are the target buyers in this segment.
 
RL: A very nice car, and at $45,000 street price, a good value. Its rather pedestrian look may turn off buyers who are looking for something that says "luxury". Just having one loaded V6 AWD variant is its biggest drawback in terms of sales.
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cstiles by lexusguy
May 03, 2005 (9:57 pm)
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I meant more in terms of compact luxury utes being the next big thing. The '98 RX300 started the midsize luxury x-over craze (I dont count the ML320 because even though it was out earlier, it wasn't unibody, and hence not an x-over), and this segment is still going strong, even with 9 or 10 players competing. Compact luxury utes though are relatively new. There's the X3, and nobody else really has anything yet. The B-class has been put on hiatus because of Mercedes money woes, but the three Japanese players at least will definitely respond.
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Re: cstiles [lexusguy] by merc1
May 03, 2005 (10:20 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (May 03, 2005 9:57 pm)

Actually the B-Class isn't on hold because of money problem at Mercedes. It was put on hold for sale in the U.S. because of the Euro/Dollar situation. In other words they would have had to price it so high to make money that it wouldn't be competive. The B-Class itself isn't on any type of hold and will go on sale in Europe this summer. The Euro situation is the reason why the Audi A3 can run as much as 35K, pretty pricey for a hatch imo.
 
Mercedes' actual entry in the compact luxury ute segment has been announced for prodution by 2008. The B-Class is like a crossover/hatch thing anyway.
 
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#1983 of 10007
Re: sales [jrock65] by merc1
May 03, 2005 (10:23 pm)
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Replying to: jrock65 (May 03, 2005 9:44 pm)

That is a very good perspective on sales.
 
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GS sales by mariner7
May 04, 2005 (2:39 am)
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For the 2nd month in a row, GS sales increased by a lot, but the other Lexus sedans all had double digit increases. Lexus sedan sales barely budged, so many GS conquests were from within Lexus. You know how loyal Lexus customers are!
 
Both M and G had solid increases, so their conquests had to come from outside.
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Re: Anyone have April sales figures? Update +Audi by markcincinnati
May 04, 2005 (5:45 am)
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Replying to: jrock65 (May 03, 2005 11:47 am)

April 2005 Sales (including Audi and noting increase or decrease from prior month)
  
5 = 4,571 (increase)
E = 3,731 (increase)
STS = 3,541 (decrease)
GS = 3,198 (decrease)
M = 2,288 (increase)
A6 = 1,635 (decrease)
RL = 1,304 (decrease)
  
March 2005 Sales
  
5 = 3,949
E = 3,608
GS = 3,209
STS = 2,954
M = 2,253
A6 = 1,681
RL = 1,376
#1986 of 10007
Re: sales [jrock65] by cohenfive
May 04, 2005 (5:46 am)
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Replying to: jrock65 (May 03, 2005 9:44 pm)

"Plus, it may be too sporty for a lot of the 40 and 50 year olds, who are the target buyers in this segment. "
 
hey, i resemble that remark!!!! seriously i'm one of the guys in that age range who likes the feel and compromises that a real sports sedan brings. i drive an m5 currently but my wife and i went to see the new m's after they came out and was very impressed on all fronts. if i were in the market for a new car for myself the m45 sport would be at the top of my list. i've owned a bmw 5 series since 97 but just can't see the price premium any more...not with all the useful technology now being deployed by the japanese manufacturers...that being said, there's nothing to compare to the m5, but for me the new one will just be priced out of my range.
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Re: Anyone have April sales figures? Update +Audi [markcincinnati] by jrock65
May 04, 2005 (5:52 am)
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Replying to: markcincinnati (May 04, 2005 5:45 am)

Thanks for the new info on the A6. Where did you find it?
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Re: Anyone have April sales figures? Update +Audi [jrock65] by markcincinnati
May 04, 2005 (7:12 am)
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Replying to: jrock65 (May 04, 2005 5:52 am)

It was published by Audi of America. I just copied it and inserted it.
 
I should add that Audi's overall YTD sales are down one half of one percent.
 
The A6 sales are up, big time (year over year).
 
Apr '04 - '05..........+38.7% (1,179 / 1,635 units)
 
YTD '04 / YTD '05..+44.8% (3,998 / 5,789 units)
 
I don't think I can post the URL, use dogpile or google.
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Re: Anyone have April sales figures? Update +Audi [markcincinnati] by jrock65
May 04, 2005 (7:17 am)
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Replying to: markcincinnati (May 04, 2005 7:12 am)

Which website?
 
BTW, I saw a polished black 2005 A6 sedan today pass by today. Gorgeous.

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