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10007 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 7:40 AM
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I too am amazed at how well the 5-Series is doing. Those newly engined 525i and 530i models must be really doing their thing. The E-Class and 5-Series has swapped positions! Virtually unheard of. The RL has been caught out by its fellow Japanese competition and its 300hp V6 and awd isn't going to help it much. M |
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None of this is really THAT surprising to me. 5: The big seller is the 525i, accounting for 42% of 5 series sales. The new 3.0 215 hp engine is sufficient for most people. A well equipped 525i comes well under $50k, and with BMW's low lease rates, it's easy to see why this is popular. With the AWD versions just now being sold, I wouldn't be that surprised to see sales even increase. E: I suspect that the CLS and the GS is taking a bite out of its sales. STS: There are still quite a few people who want a big, roomy sedan in this segment that says "American luxury", and only the STS offers that. This is still the US, and still a lot of loyal Cadillac buyers out there. GS: For people who want luxury over sport, along with some prestige and reliability, this is the only choice. Plus the unparalleled dealer network. M: Doing pretty well in uncharted territory for Infiniti. The Infiniti name is its biggest drawback in this status conscious segment. Plus, it may be too sporty for a lot of the 40 and 50 year olds, who are the target buyers in this segment. RL: A very nice car, and at $45,000 street price, a good value. Its rather pedestrian look may turn off buyers who are looking for something that says "luxury". Just having one loaded V6 AWD variant is its biggest drawback in terms of sales. |
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I meant more in terms of compact luxury utes being the next big thing. The '98 RX300 started the midsize luxury x-over craze (I dont count the ML320 because even though it was out earlier, it wasn't unibody, and hence not an x-over), and this segment is still going strong, even with 9 or 10 players competing. Compact luxury utes though are relatively new. There's the X3, and nobody else really has anything yet. The B-class has been put on hiatus because of Mercedes money woes, but the three Japanese players at least will definitely respond.
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Replying to: lexusguy (May 03, 2005 9:57 pm) Mercedes' actual entry in the compact luxury ute segment has been announced for prodution by 2008. The B-Class is like a crossover/hatch thing anyway. M |
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Replying to: jrock65 (May 03, 2005 9:44 pm) M |
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For the 2nd month in a row, GS sales increased by a lot, but the other Lexus sedans all had double digit increases. Lexus sedan sales barely budged, so many GS conquests were from within Lexus. You know how loyal Lexus customers are! Both M and G had solid increases, so their conquests had to come from outside. |
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Replying to: jrock65 (May 03, 2005 11:47 am) 5 = 4,571 (increase) E = 3,731 (increase) STS = 3,541 (decrease) GS = 3,198 (decrease) M = 2,288 (increase) A6 = 1,635 (decrease) RL = 1,304 (decrease) March 2005 Sales 5 = 3,949 E = 3,608 GS = 3,209 STS = 2,954 M = 2,253 A6 = 1,681 RL = 1,376
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Replying to: jrock65 (May 03, 2005 9:44 pm) hey, i resemble that remark!!!! seriously i'm one of the guys in that age range who likes the feel and compromises that a real sports sedan brings. i drive an m5 currently but my wife and i went to see the new m's after they came out and was very impressed on all fronts. if i were in the market for a new car for myself the m45 sport would be at the top of my list. i've owned a bmw 5 series since 97 but just can't see the price premium any more...not with all the useful technology now being deployed by the japanese manufacturers...that being said, there's nothing to compare to the m5, but for me the new one will just be priced out of my range. |
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Replying to: markcincinnati (May 04, 2005 5:45 am) |
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Replying to: jrock65 (May 04, 2005 5:52 am) I should add that Audi's overall YTD sales are down one half of one percent. The A6 sales are up, big time (year over year). Apr '04 - '05..........+38.7% (1,179 / 1,635 units) YTD '04 / YTD '05..+44.8% (3,998 / 5,789 units) I don't think I can post the URL, use dogpile or google. 
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