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cstiles by lexusguy
May 03, 2005 (8:10 pm)
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It looks like the luxury "cute-ute" market is exploding, then huh?
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Acura April Sales by cstiles
May 03, 2005 (8:28 pm)
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Acura Division sales rose 11.9% to a new April record of 19,102. April was the 2nd best month in Acura's 19-year history, and the 18th consecutive record-setting month of sales for the division as a whole.
 
Acura year-to-date sales of 67,516 have risen 8.9% versus a year ago. Acura passenger car sales reached a new April record of 14,029 vehicles, up 15.8% for the month, and up 13.6% for the year.
 
TSX marked its fifth consecutive record month with sales of 3,329 units, up 35.4% for the month and up 34.7% for year to date. TL sales reached 7,206, up 3.4%.
 
April sales of the RL rose 153.2% (versus April 04) to 1,304 vehicles, while year-to-date sales of 5,463 are up 183.9%.
 
MDX sales lifted Acura light truck sales to a new April record of 5,073 units, a rise of 2.4% versus year-ago results.
 
Nonetheless, RL sales will likely fall short of the 20,000 target, even with sales likely picking up during the warmer summer months. It will be interesting to see if Acura rolls out an incentivized lease offer. You almost figure they have to.
 
As an aside, American Honda sales (without Acura) are also up 13.9% over year-ago, and up 3.2% year-to-date.
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Re: cstiles [lexusguy] by cstiles
May 03, 2005 (8:35 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (May 03, 2005 8:10 pm)

I'm not so sure it will "explode," but clearly that is where the carmakers are putting many of their eggs. You almost have to wonder if the segment will end up getting too saturated, too soon.
 
Many of these luxury "cute utes" and crossovers are mechanically related to more plebian versions (ex: RDX vs. CRV, RX vs. Highlander....), so you wonder if all of these marquees can sustain sales of luxury versions. But the R&D costs are minimal, so the downsides are probably not that great.
 
The Infiniti CX35 is not supposed to bow until MY2008. That sounds like it will be 2 years behind the RDX?
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Sales Numbers by merc1
May 03, 2005 (8:50 pm)
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I too am amazed at how well the 5-Series is doing. Those newly engined 525i and 530i models must be really doing their thing. The E-Class and 5-Series has swapped positions! Virtually unheard of.
 
The RL has been caught out by its fellow Japanese competition and its 300hp V6 and awd isn't going to help it much.
 
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sales by jrock65
May 03, 2005 (9:44 pm)
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None of this is really THAT surprising to me.
 
5: The big seller is the 525i, accounting for 42% of 5 series sales. The new 3.0 215 hp engine is sufficient for most people. A well equipped 525i comes well under $50k, and with BMW's low lease rates, it's easy to see why this is popular. With the AWD versions just now being sold, I wouldn't be that surprised to see sales even increase.
 
E: I suspect that the CLS and the GS is taking a bite out of its sales.
 
STS: There are still quite a few people who want a big, roomy sedan in this segment that says "American luxury", and only the STS offers that. This is still the US, and still a lot of loyal Cadillac buyers out there.
 
GS: For people who want luxury over sport, along with some prestige and reliability, this is the only choice. Plus the unparalleled dealer network.
 
M: Doing pretty well in uncharted territory for Infiniti. The Infiniti name is its biggest drawback in this status conscious segment. Plus, it may be too sporty for a lot of the 40 and 50 year olds, who are the target buyers in this segment.
 
RL: A very nice car, and at $45,000 street price, a good value. Its rather pedestrian look may turn off buyers who are looking for something that says "luxury". Just having one loaded V6 AWD variant is its biggest drawback in terms of sales.
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cstiles by lexusguy
May 03, 2005 (9:57 pm)
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I meant more in terms of compact luxury utes being the next big thing. The '98 RX300 started the midsize luxury x-over craze (I dont count the ML320 because even though it was out earlier, it wasn't unibody, and hence not an x-over), and this segment is still going strong, even with 9 or 10 players competing. Compact luxury utes though are relatively new. There's the X3, and nobody else really has anything yet. The B-class has been put on hiatus because of Mercedes money woes, but the three Japanese players at least will definitely respond.
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Re: cstiles [lexusguy] by merc1
May 03, 2005 (10:20 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (May 03, 2005 9:57 pm)

Actually the B-Class isn't on hold because of money problem at Mercedes. It was put on hold for sale in the U.S. because of the Euro/Dollar situation. In other words they would have had to price it so high to make money that it wouldn't be competive. The B-Class itself isn't on any type of hold and will go on sale in Europe this summer. The Euro situation is the reason why the Audi A3 can run as much as 35K, pretty pricey for a hatch imo.
 
Mercedes' actual entry in the compact luxury ute segment has been announced for prodution by 2008. The B-Class is like a crossover/hatch thing anyway.
 
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Re: sales [jrock65] by merc1
May 03, 2005 (10:23 pm)
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Replying to: jrock65 (May 03, 2005 9:44 pm)

That is a very good perspective on sales.
 
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GS sales by mariner7
May 04, 2005 (2:39 am)
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For the 2nd month in a row, GS sales increased by a lot, but the other Lexus sedans all had double digit increases. Lexus sedan sales barely budged, so many GS conquests were from within Lexus. You know how loyal Lexus customers are!
 
Both M and G had solid increases, so their conquests had to come from outside.
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Re: Anyone have April sales figures? Update +Audi by markcincinnati
May 04, 2005 (5:45 am)
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Replying to: jrock65 (May 03, 2005 11:47 am)

April 2005 Sales (including Audi and noting increase or decrease from prior month)
  
5 = 4,571 (increase)
E = 3,731 (increase)
STS = 3,541 (decrease)
GS = 3,198 (decrease)
M = 2,288 (increase)
A6 = 1,635 (decrease)
RL = 1,304 (decrease)
  
March 2005 Sales
  
5 = 3,949
E = 3,608
GS = 3,209
STS = 2,954
M = 2,253
A6 = 1,681
RL = 1,376

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