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What is this discussion about? Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Volvo S80, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac STS, Sedan


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maxhonda99 by lexusguy
May 02, 2005 (8:12 pm)
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True, I did assume it was a '98+. Could you help us with this question lpc05? What year is your LS?
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Anyone have April sales figures? (maybe jrock65) by drtravel
May 03, 2005 (8:45 am)
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Curious to see how the Luxury Sports Sedans did last month.
 
Thank you
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Re: Anyone have April sales figures? (maybe jrock65) [drtravel] by jrock65
May 03, 2005 (11:47 am)
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Replying to: drtravel (May 03, 2005 8:45 am)

April 2005 Sales
 
5 = 4,571
E = 3,731
STS = 3,541
GS = 3,198
M = 2,288
RL = 1,304
 
March 2005 Sales
 
5 = 3,949
E = 3,608
GS = 3,209
STS = 2,954
M = 2,253
A6 = 1,681
RL = 1,376
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Re: Anyone have April sales figures? (maybe jrock65) [drtravel] by cheerioboy26
May 03, 2005 (11:48 am)
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Replying to: drtravel (May 03, 2005 8:45 am)

edit: jrock posted as I was typing
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Re: Anyone have April sales figures? (maybe jrock65) [jrock65] by markcincinnati
May 03, 2005 (12:38 pm)
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Replying to: jrock65 (May 03, 2005 11:47 am)

I presume Audi has not released figures yet?
 
I also presume STS incentives are doing the trick?
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Re: Anyone have April sales figures? (maybe jrock65) [markcincinnati] by bartalk3
May 03, 2005 (2:06 pm)
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Replying to: markcincinnati (May 03, 2005 12:38 pm)

Mark,
 
Are there incentives on the STS? All I've seen is 5.9% financing.
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Re: Anyone have April sales figures? (maybe jrock65) [jrock65] by bartalk3
May 03, 2005 (2:18 pm)
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Replying to: jrock65 (May 03, 2005 11:47 am)

If someone tried to predict real world sales from comments on this board, they would fail miserably. Big surprises, considering consensus opinion here:
 
5, E, and STS are selling surprisingly well. Why is 5 selling so well??
 
 (I also think Lincoln LS sales are surprisingly high--jrock, do you have this?).
 
More surprises: STS and GS selling better than M.
 
No surprise: RL coming in last. Acura, however, must be shocked, shocked, especially after C&D included it in the 10 Best Cars in the World shortly after its introduction (but before the M and GS debuted).
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Re: Anyone have April sales figures? (maybe jrock65) [bartalk3] by docnukem
May 03, 2005 (5:33 pm)
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Replying to: bartalk3 (May 03, 2005 2:18 pm)

Is anyone really that surprised? If you ask around at most places of work, I would bet that only a small minority subscribe to any auto mag. I would bet that even fewer would know about web sites like Edmunds or the car connec...something.com.
 
The average buyer has heard about Mercedes and Cadillacs all their life. During the 80's, BMW established such an image of being upwardly mobile that they are just as easily recognizable. I would bet that most people who buy a Jag like the look and the name, but don't care too much about performance (unless they shop for the R versions)--my wife is one; she loves the look of the S and I would have felt guilty not getting one if the rear seat had had more room.
 
With Lexus being (relatively) much newer and Infiniti being just as new but out of the spotlight in recent years (until the G35, then the FX, and now the M). These are just below many people's radar.
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Re: Anyone have April sales figures? (maybe jrock65) [bartalk3] by markcincinnati
May 03, 2005 (5:58 pm)
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Replying to: bartalk3 (May 03, 2005 2:06 pm)

Here in River City the newspapers are replete with $7,000 OFF of the new STS.
 
Maybe that is a local incentive.
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Re: Anyone have April sales figures? (maybe jrock65) [docnukem] by drtravel
May 03, 2005 (6:02 pm)
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Replying to: docnukem (May 03, 2005 5:33 pm)

When I was in the Mercedes waiting room (fixing yet another problem with the car) I would chat with other customers (who had the same quality issues) and many wouldn't even consider looking at a Japanese car. Probably the same with BMW. Fact is that a BMW or MB owner will likely replace their car with another BMW or MB. Image is everything here.
 
The M will do fine over time - it will probably increase sales just like the G which started out slowly but has increased in sales every year since. In order for Infiniti to compete with Lexus they need a winning Q45. The LS has been such a fine (and good selling) automobile - it carries the entire Lexus fleet. So even though many believe the G is superior to the ES and the M is superior to the GS - no one believes the Q is superior to the LS. Infiniti needs to win the flagship car competition and enjoy the spillover effect on their other models. Plus they need a catchy slogan. The "relentless pursuit of perfection" or the "ultimate driving machine" are ingrained in many minds here.
 
The GS has a history of starting out strong and then fading away. There was such a pent up demand for the car (it was due last year) that sales will be strong for awhile. There was NO demand for the M so I'm pretty sure Infiniti is happy with their sales so far. Will be interesting to see how these sales figures change over the next year or two.

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