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#1932 of 10007 Hemi and Girlie Men by bartalk3 Apr 30, 2005 (11:23 am)
What do you guys think of Hemi? I don't know a lot about engines, but isn't it basically just a PR piece, pushing a slight variation on a conventional 40-year old engine? So the combustion chamber is a slightly different shape. Big deal.   It's definitely macho, though, and for guys who are afraid they might be called girlie men by driving a Ford 500 or a sensible shoes Honda Civic DX, get a Hemi and be a real man. Grr. Remember, REAL MEN DON'T NEED BRAKES!
#1933 of 10007 bartalk3 by lexusguy Apr 30, 2005 (12:00 pm)
Yeah the Hemi is no better than the Corvette OHV V8. The only thing really modern that it has is DOD. The difference is that the Corvette engine is currently only used in three cars, where as the 5.7L version of the Hemi is all over the place. I think this allows Chrysler to cut down on costs of producing the engine and make a sedan like the Charger at a price point I dont think GM can match. The only sedan platform GM has capable of dealing with that kind of power is Sigma, and its already in the CTS-V. GM will just continue with lame FWD "SS" cars, and people will continue to not care about them.
#1934 of 10007 Regarding some recent messages by pat HOST Apr 30, 2005 (1:41 pm)
Our topic is Luxury Performance Sedans ... we need to try to keep to the subject.
#1935 of 10007 Folding rear seat by bdkinnh Apr 30, 2005 (3:19 pm)
Can anyone think of a reason why there are so few LPS with a folding rear seat? Is there some sort of technical reason? Seems to me that it is little effort/big gain to add it to the car.   The only ones I know of are the A6 (standard) and 5 series (optional). Lexus, Infiniti, Acrua - no folding seat.   Not having a folding rear seat is pretty much a deal breaker for me. I just drove the A6 and was under-impressed, and the reliability (coupled with the expense) of the 5 series makes me a bit concerned.   I don't want an SUV (have driven a 96 Bronco for the past 10 years - want something different now), and I'd rather poke myself in the eye with a hot stick than get an Accord.
#1936 of 10007 Folding rear seat by cybersol Apr 30, 2005 (4:54 pm)
The folding rear seat compromises body rigidity. Lower body rigidity affects both NVH (luxury) and handling (performance). The effect on handling is definitely the most prominent reason. For a performance sedan, they usually don't consider the reduction in handling to be worth the folding rear seat feature. They expect you will get a more versatile family sedan if you want the folding rear seat.   Enjoy, cybersol Replies to this message: bdkinnh (May 01, 2005 3:58 pm) commofficer (May 01, 2005 4:50 pm) bdkinnh (May 01, 2005 7:24 pm)
#1937 of 10007 bdkinnh by lexusguy Apr 30, 2005 (5:06 pm)
Folding rear seats are bad for body rigidity, thats why a lot of sedans dont have them.
#1938 of 10007 Re: cstiles [lexusguy] by karmikan Apr 30, 2005 (5:40 pm)
Replying to: lexusguy (Apr 30, 2005 9:03 am) You can never be the best just by copying the top players.   Mmmm. Seems to me that Honda made a good living copying BMW styling cues and Lexus cloned Mercedes.
#1939 of 10007 karmikan by lexusguy Apr 30, 2005 (10:48 pm)
Not that I necessarily agree with the Honda\BMW resemblance, but I wasnt talking about styling. Detroit copied Japan's entire formula for building cars.. well except for that whole quality thing. Replies to this message: kyfdx (May 01, 2005 6:45 am)

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