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| I disagree about the 300. I dont even like the car, mostly because of the styling, but I think its sales will last where other flash in the pan cars have failed because it doesnt DEPEND on its unusual styling to generate interest like the PT Cruiser or VW Beetle. Like the Mini Cooper, there's actually a great car underneath the unusual skin, and thats what equals lasting sales, rather than a great two years or so. Besides, where else can you get a 425hp sedan for that kind of money? | |
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Replying to: lexusguy (Apr 29, 2005 9:40 pm) As for 425hp. When gas hits $3 a gallon, let's see how appealing these gas guzzlers are. Detroit is making the same mistake they made in the '70s when the price of gas skyrocketed, trying to sell the same old land yachts to a public that needed economy. These guys will never learn. GM's timing is exquisite, by the way, bringing out a whole new line of huge SUVs and trucks now as the price of gas soars. And with a straight face, Lutz says these are going to sell well. Detroit has a death wish and it's going to come true.
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Replying to: richcream (Apr 29, 2005 6:45 am) The bent/cracked rim thing is pretty much the price for such footwear also. The wholesale eating of tires seems to be a big problem too, especially when luxury car buyers opt for a "sport" package and then find out that their tires aren't going to last anywhere near what they did previously. On sports cars its even worse, just ask any Nissan 350Z or 911 owner. M |
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Replying to: bartalk3 (Apr 30, 2005 7:31 am) There is little synergy or evolution between the M and the C. The letters stuck on the end are basically meaningless. The two models look nothing like each other, and probably appeal to different demographics. How often does a particular Acura, BMW, Benz, etc. from model year to model year appeal to a different type of customer? Is the 300C destined to be another "flavor of the month" car? Hard to say. But I don't believe future versions of the 300 will necessarily look like mafia staff cars with pushrods with fat power bands. This car happened to hit a perfect niche, and appeals to the traditional domestic customer who typically would not cross-shop this car against imports. It's image is that of a macho, take-no-prisoners, all-American, meat-and-potatoes sedan that is currently kicking the tails of the more "effeminate" and less-endowed Ford 500 and anything GM has to offer.
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Replying to: lexusguy (Apr 29, 2005 9:40 pm) I don't know what else can be said about GM at this point. Push back a convertible until Sept, like someone else said, is a less than smart move, but reportedly they're having problems with the top. The same thing has been said about the G6 convertible. Top problems. Time for GM to get Porsche (Car Top Systems) or Toyota (SC430) to do their tops if the good old boys in Detroit's supplier community can't do them. M |
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Replying to: cstiles (Apr 30, 2005 8:47 am) Plus GM just killed the new Zeta RWD platform that would have given them something to combat the new Mopars with. Talk about a kick in the gut. They did this to concetrate on the next generation large trucks/SUV. I can understand this decision to a point, those trucks are such big money makers, but how much longer do these vehicles have when gas prices are seemingly never going back down? M |
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Well, the 300M was in Chrysler's Concorde, LHS "cab forward" days of space ship looking cars that they arent doing anymore. I wouldnt expect the new 300 to be anything like the old one. If it was, it certainly wouldnt have the kind of interest that it does now. Like you said "It's image is that of a macho, take-no-prisoners, all-American, meat-and-potatoes sedan that is currently kicking the tails of the more "effeminate" and less-endowed Ford 500 and anything GM has to offer." The reason why I think is because it DOESNT just try to copy what Toyota and Honda are doing. Toyota, Honda, and Nissan have nothing like the 300. You can never be the best just by copying the top players. It appears Chrysler has figured that out, but Ford and GM still have not. It will be interesting to see what Chrysler rolls out in the future. With the exception of the 300..and I guess Pacifica, the rest of their line-up basically sucks. Will lightning strike twice? Or will they continue to have the 300 and then a fleet of rental cars?
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Replying to: bartalk3 (Apr 30, 2005 7:31 am) |
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From what I understand, Zeta hasnt been killed, just redesigned to cost less. They've said wether or not Camaro will be resurrected is up in the air, but they are working on something RWD. I agree that spending all this effort on the Trailblazer and its ilk seems kind of stupid when the public is largely moving away from these cars and into unibody x-overs. The Equinox and Torrent cant hold a candle to Highlander and Pilot. The SRX is the only real competitive x-over any of the big 3 have, and unfortunately it falls into the STS trap of "we can get Mercedes money for this, right guys?" Actually... doesnt the '06 M-class cost LESS than an SRX? -Edit: Yes, it does. The Mercedes MSRPs lower, and a fully loaded ML500 with everything except the AMG sport package costs about $1000 less than a loaded SRX V8. Brilliant.
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Replying to: lexusguy (Apr 30, 2005 9:08 am) I've never compared prices for the SRX, but I knew they weren't cheap. Cadillac seems to feel like their image and repuation has been repaired to the point of not needing to undercut their competitors in price. Not! M |
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