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Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Volvo S80, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac STS, Sedan
Apr 13, 2005 (6:19 pm)
Just sitting at a computer in Iraq (Yeah, can't wait to leave) and thought I would chime in here. I have driven some of the new generation AWD systems in snow and would agree that they all work basically the same in snow. Unless you have the chance to push them to limits, you probably will not notice a difference. Audi builds a great car but they don't hold up well. Look at what a 10 year old Audi A8 is worth. But, If you are going to lease and it will always be under warranty then it's not a bad option as long as they provide loaners. The Inifinity is good but also loses value too fast. Better reliability then the Audi though. Forget the STS. Sorry but I can't recommend an American made AWD system since I own a 2004 Pacifica and already had the transfer case replaced. These are the same guys who own Jeep and Mercedes and still they can't build a dependable transfer case. GM is not Chrysler but it's just starting to get into the AWD game. Do you really want to be their guinea pig?
I'd have to go with the Lexus GS300 if it was my money and then get a set of winter wheels and tires delivered from the Tirerack or some similar store.
North of Baghdad with no snow in sight.
#1590 of 10348 RE: picking AWD [commofficer]
Apr 13, 2005 (7:25 pm)
Hey cap thanks for your post and your services.
Just one thing, if the G35, FX, and the residuals of the M are any indication, the M35/45 will have great resale values.
Apr 13, 2005 (9:32 pm)
The residual value of the M35 blows the A6 out of the water. Its ahead of everybody except for BMW and Mercedes... even Lexus cant match it.
#1592 of 10348 residuals
Apr 14, 2005 (5:21 am)
I think there's not much meat in the residual values of almost new cars like the RL, the M. For something like the GS, the 5 & E's of the world, the residuals are based on historical reality. Residuals for the RL & M will most likely change based on how things pan out over the next 2/3 years.
Overall the Infiniti G has done a remarkable turn around in residuals compared to the general past of the brand, both infinity & nissan.
Apr 14, 2005 (6:33 am)
Its the "Ghosn Infiniti" effect. All the post-Ghosn cars have it. I would expect the M to be similar.
#1594 of 10348 I'm a believer
Apr 14, 2005 (6:42 am)
Traded my 530i for an 06 M35. After 900 miles I can't stop grinning. Reminds me of the 530i with an intuitive idrive. BMW was a good car but not better any than the M35.
#1596 of 10348 RE: More fuel for the fire
Apr 14, 2005 (11:40 am)
">The M45 in the article is sweet. I haven't seen one in person yet but will take a look when I get home. My buddy has a G35 Coupe and that is a great vehicle. Nissan makes great engines. Infinity has, historically, had low resale but I really hope that you guys are right and they start to become more of a sure bet like Lexus.
On another topic:
I hate to even wonder this (I have English parents) but does anyone out there think that Jaguar has a fighting chance against these new sedans? The S and X type are not competitive in any class and the XJ is really not holding its own even with the new Al body. Quality has just never caught up and if you say "I own a Jag" people look quizzically at you and ask "Aren't there loads of problems with that thing"?
If we lost Jaguar, Saab, Volvo and Audi in the US market, would anyone care? It's more like a Darwinian question but all these makes seem to have lost out and they are being kept in the system through unnatural selection. VW's attempt to gain entry into the luxury sedan market was met the way we all thought it would be met, a swift blow to the head. Did natural selection bring about the iDrive in the BMW or was that forced evolution? Why is it so hard to get the manufacturers to offer a diesel engine in some of these cars now that gas is so expensive? They have the engines already. We see all kinds of vehicles here in Iraq with diesel engines including Ford Ranger pickups. The US could do with some of the better diesel engines in the sedan offerings.
I have lots of time to wonder these things when we have slow days with few US or Coalition wounded.
Apr 14, 2005 (11:45 am)
If we lost Jaguar here in Cincinnati, there would only be a few tears. Ditto Saab. Audis and Volvos do, however, seem pretty popular.
I see so few Jaguars and Saabs (especially Jaguars) that it is remarkable to actually see one. I have commented that Jaguar will "pay you" to lease one of their "X" cars currently.
I went to the auto show in February and the Saab display was THE MOST pitiful thing in the whole show.
#1598 of 10348 RE: More fuel for the fire [commofficer]
Apr 14, 2005 (1:26 pm)
Saab and Jaguar wouldn't be missed here; their sales are poor and they are big money losers for both GM and Ford. The main function of Jaguar, it seems, is to come in last when the car mags do any multi-car rating of luxury performance vehicles. I think Ford recently said that one model will be retained unchanged for another 4 years, which will make it 10 years old. Ridiculous. Ford has no money.
Volvo is actually doing fairly well as it's acquiring a performance as well as a safety image. They just added a V-8, I beleive, built by, is it Yamaha? Their styling is improving since they began thinking out of the box, so to speak.
On diesels, I think I read that BMW is going to import diesels here in the next couple of years. Diesels will be a hard sell here, thanks mainly to Detroit (mainly GM, I think) that introduced diesels here in the 70s that were smelly, smoky, and problem-plagued. That turned off a generation of American buyers.