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Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Volvo S80, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac STS, Sedan
#1553 of 10348 Re: cstiles [lexusguy]
Apr 07, 2005 (6:46 pm)
Lexusguy---where are you getting your facts regarding Honda sales doing so poorly?
The Honda Division posted its second best March and fifth best month ever with sales of 109,949 cars and light trucks, an increase of 7.4 percent over year-ago results. This month marks only the second time in Honda Division history that the 100,000 sales barrier has been broken in March. Accord sales of 33,075 rose 2.4 percent, helping the division post sales of 59,198 passenger cars, up slightly from the previous March on a unit basis. Driven by record sales of the all-new Odyssey and Pilot, the Honda Division reported its second best March of light truck sales, up 22.9 percent to 50,751 units. The Civic Hybrid marked its third best month with sales of 2,896 units, while the Accord Hybrid posted sales of 1,862 units, its largest sales month since its December 2004 introduction. The all-new 2006 Honda Ridgeline truck also had a strong showing in its first full month on the market with sales of 3,875 units.
The Acura Division posted best ever March sales of 18,599 and its 17th consecutive record-setting month of sales. Acura posted a new March record with sales rising 3.6 percent to 18,599 cars and light trucks, including a record month for Acura cars of 13,586 units. The new RL luxury performance sedan generated sales of 1,376 units with an increase of 193.8 percent over last year's results. The TSX sports sedan marked its fourth consecutive month of record sales with 3,107, an increase of 35.6 percent. Acura year-to-date sales of 48,414 have risen 7.7 percent versus a year ago.
I'm not suggesting that Honda is hitting homeruns, but rumors of it getting it's derrier kicked are way exaggerated IMO.
We did digress. Back to the topic of luxury performance sedans....
#1555 of 10348 Re: merc1 [jrock65]
Apr 07, 2005 (8:31 pm)
They put the A6 4.2 over as the top car followed by the GS430 and then the E500. After that it is less clear since they didn't actually number them 1, 2 etc.
I like their writing style and their attention to design like you stated, but their test numbers are suspect. Without the article in front of me they showed the E500 being like a whole second quicker to 60mph than the A6 or the GS430. Somewhat hard to believe even with a 7-speed transmission. Then again in the Road and Track comparo the S500 had the next to weakest engine but was faster than even the much more powerful 745i and A8, because of low weight and that 7-speed gearbox.
#1556 of 10348 Re: cstiles [mg808]
Apr 07, 2005 (8:37 pm)
As much as I like the Acura Legend back in the day it hardly smoked the competition. I remember a comparo in C&D back in 1986 in which the equally new Mercedes 300E beat the Legend quite easily.
Acura will never do a V8 so they'll more than likely remain an entry level luxury player. Automobile called the RL an entry level luxury type car, not on par with the GS, E, 5-Series and the rest of the mid-luxury class.
#1557 of 10348 Observation
Apr 07, 2005 (9:02 pm)
Driving by the local Cadillac dealership and noticed a CTS-V on the lot so I swung in to check it out. A salesman came out and offered a test drive. He couldn't come with me (darn!) so I was on my own in a 400hp 6 speed rocket.
Fired up the engine and there was a wonderful rumble that gave me goose bumps but there it was - a foot-operated parking brake! To make matters worse, the brake release handle was inches from the hood release and the two looked very similar. The whole set-up screamed "designed by bean counters". The first hill start I attempted (you guessed it), I popped the hood.
The car was face-bending fast in any gear and quite well balanced but compromises in design and engineering were way too evident. To me, this car encapsulates one of the primary issues with the domestics in general and GM in particular. They seem to have lost touch with their market. They're trying to compete with products that were designed by engineers and are offering products that have been compromised in the interests of corporate expediency. They hope (I assume) that no-one will notice. Well guys, the marketplace has become far more sophisticated and it notices. After the test drive, my 530 felt like a finely crafted scalpel compared to the kitchen knife Caddy.
What a pity.
#1558 of 10348 C&D Comparo
Apr 08, 2005 (4:28 am)
The M45 is top dog in the May 05' issue of Car & Driver. They compared 8 sports-luxury sedans around $55K.
#1560 of 10348 When's a good month to end a lease?
Apr 08, 2005 (7:04 am)
Looking for some feedback on this question. I'm choosing between a 36, 39 or 42 month lease on the M. One issue is when is the best time of the year to end a lease? If I sign a 36 month lease now it will end in April 2008 which leaves me in a position to buy a 2008 model that has been out for six months or so or maybe an early introduction 2009 model. If I get a 39 month lease it will end in July 2008 meaning that I'm about 3 months away from most new 2009 models but I believe way too late in the year for a 2008 model - if I get a new car then it will be a year old in just three months. Maybe they will extend the lease to give me a crack at the 2009s?? If I get a 42 month lease it will end in October, 2008 just in time for a good selection of 2009 models. I know some are not big fans of the 42 month lease but the timing is one reason I'm considering it. Any insightful input will be appreciated.
#1561 of 10348 Re: cstiles [gandhim3]
Apr 08, 2005 (7:18 am)
I don't know about cstiles, but it certainly didn't change my mind. 1.19 million sales last year? Oh, ouch, yeah, I'm sure that hurts.
As a matter of fact, I just saw a clip in this week's autoweek that only 5 manufacturers in the world top 1 million a year. Nissan has just joined the ranks of GM, Ford, Toyota, and, of course, Honda.
#1562 of 10348 Re: When's a good month to end a lease? [drtravel]
Apr 08, 2005 (7:18 am)
I don't know any way other than a SWAG to answer this. The 2005 Chrysler 300C, came out when? The 2006 M came out when? The Lexus GS's came out when?
The new BMW's called '06's came out when?
The Audi A4 2005.5, same question.
The 2005 G's from Infiniti came out very late (like November) -- yet the 2006 M's came out in February.
I have no clue how to even suggest the right time, unless all manufacturers PROMISE from now on to make their new models come out within 30 days of each other and always in October (which means September, October or November).