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Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Volvo S80, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac STS, Sedan
#1482 of 10348 Re: March 2005 sales in the Luxury Sports Sedan class [jrock65]
Apr 01, 2005 (6:47 pm)
Those sales numbers are very interesting. There is a lot of talk about the CLS taking E-Class sales on the German car boards eleswhere. Between the CLS and the fact that every other car in the class is newer the E will have a long hard year. In 2004 MB moved 58K Es, I doubt they'll hit 40K this year. Ouch. That 2007 model year facelift can't come soon enough. BMW dropped eleven percent and Lexus droped almost 2 percent while Mercedes increased by the exact same amount. Creepy. Sales are all over the map, really hard to make any definite conclusions about anything. Sales are basically free for all this year with so many different cars competiting. I guess BMW is down because of the pending arrivial of a new 3-Series. Overall I except it to be Lexus, BMW and Mercedes overall at years end. I think if the M and R-Classes take off MB can get darn close to BMW. After the 3-Series BMW doesn't have nearly as much on tap as Mercedes does as the year progresses. I don't see Cadillac keeping their #3 spot this year, the STS won't make the predictions - overpriced and too much competition imo.
#1483 of 10348 Re: March 2005 sales in the Luxury Sports Sedan class [merc1]
Apr 01, 2005 (7:14 pm)
merc1, I agree, both the new M class and the R class look like winners to me. Kind of surprising that the base M class starts $3500 cheaper then the base M35x. I guess there's more competition in the SUV segment.
Apr 01, 2005 (7:27 pm)
In my opinion, M sales have a lot of upside. Reasons:
1) The $65M nationwide advertising blitz starts today (04/01/05).
2) All of the comparo wins can only help. Probably not much, but can't hurt.
3) Quite a few people don't really know much about Infiniti. Everyone knows MB, BMW, and Lexus. As the brand's image improves with hits such as the G, FX, M, and QX, that can only improve traffic into showrooms, which will improve sales.
4) The G35 sedan sales went from 35,765 in 2003, to 42,800 in 2004, and is on pace for 48,016 in 2005. It is possible that the M will have such an upward curve.
Anyways, just speculation on my part.
Apr 01, 2005 (7:37 pm)
What are your thoughts on the new G class? Do you know when its due?
#1486 of 10348 Re: sales [jrock65]
Apr 01, 2005 (9:37 pm)
All true and very accurate if speculation can be that. You can't watch TV without seeing a "The New M" commercial.
Another hit for Infiniti I'm sure. Infiniti is by far my favorite of the Japanese luxury brands. G35 Coupe, FX35/45 and M35/45 are all greatly admired by me. A very high honor....lol. Back in the day it was Acura, but every since the Legend went away they've fallen from view, though I do like the TL a little.
Question: Are you familiar with the user id "sacguy"?
#1487 of 10348 Re: merc1 [lexusguy]
Apr 01, 2005 (9:45 pm)
Personally I don't like anything about it. The spy photos show what could be just any car company's SUV, nothing even close to deserving the "G" in the name. The current G is so legendary and most of all so different from %99 percent of the SUVs on the road today and that is the way I like it, but I'm told that I don't see the business side clearly so... I guess this new SUV that the real G will be replaced with is more mass-marketable and should sell a 1000 times better, but it won't be half the "truck" the current G is if what they're saying about it using the new ML/R-Class platform.
It is supposed to debut at Detroit 2006 and go on sale about a year from now. It looks like a longer M-Class which it is. Not a true "G" in my opinion. Not at all.
On some other boards they're hinting that Mercedes may keep the old G in production under its proper name G......wagen. I think they should keep the current G around and just continually refine it and call this new SUV something else. MLX was the rumor about a year ago, but we'll see.
Apr 01, 2005 (10:25 pm)
I don't remember a sacguy. Sound very vaguely familiar tho.
#1489 of 10348 Re: sales [merc1]
Apr 01, 2005 (11:12 pm)
What do you want to know?
#1490 of 10348 Re: sales [sacguy]
Apr 02, 2005 (12:28 pm)
Oh there you are. Are you the same person on GCF?
#1491 of 10348 Re: sales [merc1]
Apr 02, 2005 (2:18 pm)
Yes, I am the same person. I actually look at GCF, Audiworld, MB forum and Edmunds - all using the same name - sacguy. I am just reading and sharing bits from all the forums and auto reviews!! I thought I was getting a new car this spring, but now I am just waiting, as my car is still a good one and under warranty for a year (2002 BMW 5 series). I was originally going to get an A6, then bounced to a MB E500 (actually put an order in , then cancelled due to all the reliability comments. Plus the car started to look a bit dated and too old for me, especially with all the new cars coming out. Now I am checking out the new Infiniti M, but my heart is still with the german cars. Will probably wait for a MB refresh on E annd other new models, before jumping in. All this reading can get you sooooo confused, but it is fun!