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Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Volvo S80, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac STS, Sedan
#120 of 10348 jrock65
Jul 05, 2004 (10:45 pm)
Actually the C has outsold the E (in this country) for the last few years, but not by much. I'm sure Mercedes would like the higher margin E to be the bestselling Benz again, but oh well.
As for the new engines, the C won't get them until the next generation appears in 2007. A mistake in my opinion. Anyway at that time there will be a 205hp C250 (2.5L V6), a 225hp C300 (3.0L V6) and a C350 with 268hp. This should have been the case for 2005, but I'm not in charge. No more I4 "Kompressors" at that time. Just like they've done with the SLK for 2005. There will be a SLK300 (225hp 3.0L V6) introduced at the Paris car show in Sept.
The other "320" models (E320, CLK320 etc) will become "350" models for the 2006 MY.
Jul 06, 2004 (2:13 am)
What the salesman was refering to was a "drilled" brake rotor. What I'm talking about is Mercedes brake-by-wire system thats in the E and SL class, for now. This system is fully electronic, and has no psychical connection from the pedal to the actual brakes. It's supposed to make them better than traditional brakes, but it doesnt work as advertised. Stopping distances arent better, and if it werent for Mercedes putting in a back up mechanical system in case of emergency (apparently even they didnt trust their own crap) I think there would be a lot more accident reports. Also, they cant get the pedal feel right, because its a computer simulation of pedal feel, so it feels more like an on\off switch than a brake pedal. I've worked with computers long enough to know that software shouldn't be trusted for anything life dependant like brakes.
Sharon, I would honestly suggest you go with a 1-2 year old C.P.O model. There really isnt any advantage to the brand new car. The CPO warranty is just as long, and you dont have to baby the engine until it breaks in, or inhale toxic "new car" smell.
#122 of 10348 Lexusguy
Jul 06, 2004 (3:07 am)
That braking distances aren't shorter simply isn't true in every Benz with SBC.
#123 of 10348 Real World and Real Driving
Jul 06, 2004 (4:34 am)
karmikian... F1 is road course racing on tracks. We drive on streets. Can't say I care what NASCAR, IRL, F1, etc. use for engines or transmissions. [Is interesting that FIA did try, as part of their huge recent rule package, to go back to purely manual transmissions. Drivers and manufacturers fought them. Sad. Thought point of racing was to see who was better driver, not who has better TC, launch control, ABS, etc.]
I'll take Fangio driving a real car (one with full manual transmission, no TC, no ABS, etc.) over Michael Schumacher driving today's electronic aid extravaganzas any day!
#124 of 10348 Re: [jrock65 #118]
Jul 06, 2004 (7:22 am)
Personally, I think there are other cars out there that offer a lot more for the money (or for even less money), but apparently many people see what I don't see.
The V6-powered hatchback is actually a reasonable value with the unique panorama sunroof. Now MB had better put the new 3.5 4-valve in there before someone else copies the targa-top.
#125 of 10348 Re: Real World and Real Driving [riez #123]
Jul 06, 2004 (7:49 am)
Thought point of racing was to see who was better driver, not who has better TC, launch control, ABS, etc.
Then shouldn't they all drive identical regulation car supplied by the organizer (and draw lots to even out manufacturing variations)? Racing is fundamentally a product promotion event. IMHO, all the technological improvements should be allowed, including hybrids etc.. Otherwise, there will be a day soon enough that a road car can outrun a race car.
#126 of 10348 Manual Transmission: Techno-Dinosaur or Eternal Implement of Sport?
Jul 06, 2004 (9:15 am)
As someone who appreciates both apples and oranges, and is not afraid to compare them, I think it’s time to sing praises for the human clutch. After all, everything has its proper place, and when it comes to sport driving in the real world, the manual transmission is as natural as the jockey’s horse.
The most significant part of conventional transmissions is that the human being is actually part of the drive train… not so with any kind of automatic or sequential shift mechanism. Speed is only one aspect… engagement with the engine, the road and the forces of nature are others. It is on this level that I believe manual transmissions may not die, just as the sail is still alive, well and highly revered on the water.
It is the work involved, the sophistication of natural elements, and connection to these elements that we crave. Technology has shown us a lot, but it has also demonstrated that it cannot remove us from nature. This is demonstrated by a wealth of other sporting activities. The next time you see an Olympic swimmer nearly in the buff, ask yourself exactly where technology fits into his next heat, and why it is not important to know that he can drive faster than he swims.
I think enough kids are being weaned on sticks these days to maintain a demand. Also the economy of manuals may remain a trump in its attempts to stay alive. We are in a transition period of auto technology where the dust will take quite a few years to settle. SMGs, CVTs… these things are not nailed down yet.
Look to Porsche as a telltale. Porsche owners are the biggest collection of stick enthusiasts around and they will die the hardest. Porsches are the ultimate real-world driving machines and when they abandon the manual transmission it may spell the end. Says here it won’t happen, but that’s only if they can stay alive and independent.
The baseball bat, the golf club, the horse, the sail—will the manual transmission settle into sporting eternity garnering as much reverence and significance? Or is it as doomed as the typewriter? Stick zealots, light the votive candles and pray. But in the meantime, enjoy the good pickins’ that are left.
Jul 06, 2004 (10:12 am)
I, for one, wont mind when the majority of the manuals have died. Like designman said, I dont think they will ever completely disappear, at least, not for quite a long time, but the strengths of a manual continue to disappear, one after the other. Manuals used to get better mpg. Now some cars get worse mpg with the stick. Manuals used to ALWAYS be faster. In most cases, with most engines, they still are. But in some cases, they are not. Manuals used to be the only way to get six cogs. Not anymore. Personally I think SMGs are great, and I am very interested to take a drive in a DSG equiped Audi. Rowing my own gears was great when I was a kid, but I get tired enough from work these days, I dont need my drive home to make matters worse. Manuals arent going anywhere for now though, at least not in Europe. I'm not sure if you even CAN rent an AT equiped car in France.
#128 of 10348 lexus and designman...
Jul 06, 2004 (2:40 pm)
couldn't agree more. Some of us enjoyed manuals immensely for many years. We have now grown up and have other priorities. And one of those priorities is NOT shifting after a long day's work or a two hour stop and go traffic mess.
#129 of 10348 Talk to the Press
Jul 06, 2004 (2:57 pm)
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