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#10028 of 10338 Re: bmw 5, Mercedes E, Jaguar XF, Cadillac CTS vs M35 [james27] by m4m

Jan 27, 2010 (5:48 am)

Replying to: james27 (Jan 26, 2010 4:08 pm)
but gets lower fuel economy and has less headroom - not so according to official press release:
 
PRESS RELEASE 2011 Infiniti M Sedan
The 2011 Infiniti M will be offered in M37 and M56 model designations when it goes on sale at Infiniti retailers nationwide in spring 2010. The M37 features a refined 3.7-liter V6 engine with increased power and fuel economy (versus the previous generation M35’s 3.5-liter V6).
The M56 also offers more power and better fuel economy from an all-new 5.6-liter V8 (versus the previous generation M45’s 4.5-liter V8). Both the M37 and M56 engines feature Infiniti’s advanced VVEL (Variable Valve Event & Lift) system and all models are equipped with a standard 7-speed automatic transmission.
The M56 engine also utilizes Direct Injection Gasoline™ (DIG) technology. The M37 and M56 are available in both rear-wheel drive and with Infiniti’s Intelligent All-Wheel Drive system.
A special Sport Package, offered on rear-wheel drive models only, offers 4-wheel Active Steer (4WAS), sport-tuned suspension, Sport Brakes and 20-inch wheels and tires.
As for the car’s size, it is larger than the outgoing M, measuring roughly half an inch longer at 194.7 inches, 2-inches wider at 72.6 inches.

#10029 of 10338 Re: new blackberry trying to use with my E350 [m4m] by carolinabob

Jan 27, 2010 (2:44 pm)

Replying to: m4m (Jan 26, 2010 5:19 am)
E350 and Inifiniti M are not that far apart in price once you sit down and negotiate and M is noisier and rides rougher. Looked at both an E was far better buy.

#10030 of 10338 Re: new blackberry trying to use with my E350 [carolinabob] by houdini1

Jan 27, 2010 (2:56 pm)

Replying to: carolinabob (Jan 27, 2010 2:44 pm)
If you buy an E350 equipped as nicely as an Infiniti M, you would probably pay over $10,000. more. You can pay over $80 grand for an E class Mercedes.
 
In addition to that, the M is rated near the top by Consumer Reports, second only to the Lexus LS. The 350 is waaay down the list. Very poor reliability compared to the M. CR puts them both in the same class (luxury sedans).

#10031 of 10338 Re: bmw 5, Mercedes E, Jaguar XF, Cadillac CTS vs M35 [m4m] by james27

Jan 27, 2010 (3:44 pm)

Replying to: m4m (Jan 27, 2010 5:48 am)
Well, the specs are on their webstie, and while it may have more interior volume, the actual headroom is about 3/4" (39.7 vs 39.1) less in the driver's position http://www.infinitiusa.com/allnewm/index.html?intcmp=2011_m_micro.Promo.Homepage- .Home.P1#//specs-options. The article I read said the real-world mileage was less...we'll see when they actually show up. Their webpage shows 'TBD' for those figures, but people who've actually driven it say less than the outgoing. Maybe with the additional power, they were thrashing it more...we'll see.

#10032 of 10338 Re: new blackberry trying to use with my E350 [carolinabob] by sanjaysdca

Jan 27, 2010 (4:13 pm)

Replying to: carolinabob (Jan 27, 2010 2:44 pm)
Just configured a 350 and M on carsdirect
E350 = 51K with P1, leather
M = 41K with tech package
 
so E is 10K more that is ~ 25% more than M's price of 41K
With M you get engine with more oomph (303 hp vs 268 hp)
Better reliability......drawback you will not have service advisors's number on speed dial
 
Infact E350 finished last in car and driver 5 car comparision (A6, 5 series, M, Jag XF, and MB E class)..and in the comparision test 5 series and M were OLD MODELS - both are getting revamped this year

#10033 of 10338 Re: new blackberry trying to use with my E350 [sanjaysdca] by m4m

Jan 27, 2010 (6:59 pm)

Replying to: sanjaysdca (Jan 27, 2010 4:13 pm)
When I was on market for my first luxury car in this class and I could not belive MB charges extra for HID lights, heated front seats (cooled seats not even avail on E350), push button ignition and leather seats so I decided to go with Infiniti M.
I think for 50K plus car those should be standard.
 
However just like someone said on another forum: "I wouldn't switch MB or BMW to Lexus or Infiniti. They are totally different animals in automobile world. If you like to drive the car - you get MB or BMW, if you like options and gadgets - you get Lexus or Infiniti."
 
It is a compromise, to give up something in order to get something else - choices, choices...

#10034 of 10338 Re: new blackberry trying to use with my E350 [m4m] by lexusguy

Jan 28, 2010 (12:57 am)

Replying to: m4m (Jan 27, 2010 6:59 pm)
However just like someone said on another forum: "I wouldn't switch MB or BMW to Lexus or Infiniti. They are totally different animals in automobile world. If you like to drive the car - you get MB or BMW, if you like options and gadgets - you get Lexus or Infiniti."
 
I don't agree with that at all. German /= automatic great drive, and Japanese /= automatic tech wonderland. Most of the recent Mercedes cars like the C and E classes have been described as dull and boring, with dead steering and lifeless handling. Good for cruising down the highway and that's it.
 
The latest Audi S models are reaching par with BMW in terms of driving enjoyment, and their options and gadgets are better than anything Lexus or Infiniti have. The Infinitis I've driven have been very enjoyable. Certainly a G37 is a lot more fun than a C350, so that throws out that argument. Infiniti's current tech is getting pretty stale, but it looks like the M37 has a somewhat updated system.
 
Lexus has absolutely nothing technology wise which can compare to the state of the art systems in the new A8. Several of their cars still come with cassette decks!
 
Getting back to the original question of what to replace an '08 M35 with, the XF is a decent choice, but a serious reliability risk. I'm less impressed with the car than I was back when I bought my S6. The new leaders in this class are likely to be the new 5 series and the new M, with the new A6 likely joining this group next year. The E class is already an also ran.

#10035 of 10338 Re: new blackberry trying to use with my E350 [lexusguy] by bmlexus

Jan 28, 2010 (4:05 am)

Replying to: lexusguy (Jan 28, 2010 12:57 am)
Just wanted to know about what you're saying.
 
Japanese /= automatic tech wonderland But when u compared it to the Audi, you're saying Lexus has absolutely nothing technology wise which can compare to the state of the art systems in the new A8. Several of their cars still come with cassette decks I would personally like the lexus to keep the cassette deck in the near future as well.

#10036 of 10338 Re: new blackberry trying to use with my E350 [m4m] by sanjaysdca

Jan 28, 2010 (8:41 am)

Replying to: m4m (Jan 27, 2010 6:59 pm)
Lexusguy pretty much gave a sood summary
 
Here are my thoughts:
If you like driving you you get BMW, Audi S line, or Infiniti M (Depending on price point)
If you want to show off you get MB or BMW or Jag....may be Lexus or Audi..infiniti is not up there yet & Acura is just wannabe
If you want nice E350/lexus type driving experirnce and are not badge conscious you get Genesis at whole lot less price.
 
Sanjay

#10037 of 10338 Re: new blackberry trying to use with my E350 [lexusguy] by vinrun

Jan 28, 2010 (12:22 pm)

Replying to: lexusguy (Jan 28, 2010 12:57 am)
I heard that the 2011 E class will have bigger engines. Over 300 hp for the E 350. Due out in September.

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