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What is this discussion about? Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Volvo S80, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac STS, Sedan

#11 of 10007 Junior Executive Stars by buddhabman Apr 08, 2004 (2:14 pm)
These are the rides for the new VP's or Directors or junior partners, etc. Whatever.   Thanks to Merc1 for the nice overview I just added one model the Cadillac STS and my impressions.   Audi A6 - The new face/grille is interesting. It will probably look better in person. IMHO the interior style leader bar none. Sheding some Lb's,upgraded power and suspension will help. Wagons are nice but the MB E-500 sedan and wagon are something else. RS6 should be kept nad RS8 needs to come down in price. Hope reliability improves.   BMW 5-Series - No BMW hate here. Nice cars but you pay dearly. The 530i power specs seem low in comparison to others in segment, but thats what the 545i is for. The increase in size for the wagons is welcome.   Cadillac STS - The just announced base engine is too small 3.6L V6 - 255hp/252trq. I am sure the Northsar V8 either 275hp or 325hp DTS will be nice. Hope the handling is in line with the CTS, reports are that it will be a good handler. Nice sized just above E-Class and 5 series. If build quality is =/> the recent Deville than it should be nice. Before you dog BQ I have a 99 Deville that has never spent one day in the shop except for oil changes, bet you coudln't say that for the other luxury makes.   Mercedes-Benz E-Class - Nice styling on the new E-Class. Like Merc1 says every concievable model, plus the AMG models. The E-500 is awesome, the wagon, the AMG wow. Junior Exec about to get the boards big nod type car. Overall super nice, but need a liitle more sport in the models outside the AMG's.   Acura RL - Upgrade is needed and welcome. Honda can put together a winner whenever it decides to. I am sure the RL with the new new V6 300hp engine & AWD system and other Hi-Tech gear will be sweet. Like merc1 says "the car looks like a giant Accord, even more so than the new TL. As per all the Japanese cars reliability is the strong point design is the weak point. Can't wait to see the first road test! No V8 or rwd from Acura so forget it folks."   Lexus GS - Nice but not my style. If the driving dynamics are tuned to the sporty side these could be super nice cars. I don't mind the looks but it is the numbing driver experience that fails it for me.   Infiniti M35/45 - The New York Autoshow concept looks hot. If upgraded interior & handling mathes already top notch engine, then wow. The threat of the AWD GT-R added to the lineup will be something. Infiniti needs to market this car as the Grand tourer as capable as the German makes.   Jaguar S-Type - IMHO a great looking car, particularly with sport package of lowered stance and larger wheels. The S-Type R is sweet, the perfect grand tourer for me. I flat like the Jaguar aesthetic though. Needs an upgrade to more sport tuned handling (Broken record) and I think this car could be tops. It's generally priced right though.
#12 of 10007 by jrock65 Apr 09, 2004 (1:07 pm)
Never thought I'd say this, but from pictures, I like the design of the M interior over those of the 2006 GS, 2005 RL, 2005 A6, 5 series, and E-class. They finally got the interior right this time.   The quality of the interior seems promising as well, although we'd have to see the production car in person. Replies to this message: florida1 (Apr 19, 2005 3:43 pm) hpowders (Apr 19, 2005 4:07 pm) richcream (Apr 19, 2005 4:09 pm) rich545 (Apr 20, 2005 4:58 am) and 6 more... florida1 (Apr 20, 2005 5:53 pm) markcincinnati (Apr 19, 2005 5:48 pm) badboymia (Jul 06, 2007 9:06 am)
#13 of 10007 Additions by pen101 Apr 09, 2004 (6:59 pm)
On my list for a replacement for my 2002 530i next year are the above cars as well as the Cad CTS-V and the BMW E90 (3-series). The competition is strong!   So far, I guess my favorites in the $40K range is the E90, at $50K is the CTS-V and at $60K the 545i.   It is too bad that the upcoming M45 and GS do not come with a manual. Otherwise I'd be more interested in them.
#14 of 10007 go for the CTS-V by golfgti47 Apr 09, 2004 (9:45 pm)
dude, its no question really, go for the caddy. When was the last time you saw a 3-serries with a 400-hp v-8? Besides, bmw's are very nice, despite their horrible pricing for their vehicles. Besides, i think the cadillac looks better over the 3-serries. The CTS-V is unique, unlike every bmw 3-series you see on every street you turn on.
#15 of 10007 Acura RL vs. BMW 5-series by manybmws Apr 10, 2004 (4:16 am)
I have had 2 90's Acura Legends and then two 5-series in the last 5 years. Depending on the handling dynamics of the new RL, it might be competition for the 5-series. Especially if pricing starts in the mid 40s.
#16 of 10007 Re: Luxury Performance Sedans [jrock65 #1] by 280hp Apr 10, 2004 (6:08 am)
Replying to: jrock65 (Apr 05, 2004 8:19 pm) i dont think the Audi A6 should be in this category. It may be luxurious, but its also too much of a gutless boat.   The A4 S4 i think, is a good M3 equivalent... Replies to this message: esf (Nov 22, 2005 1:16 pm)
#17 of 10007 jock by mariner7 Apr 10, 2004 (11:37 am)
I agree that Infiniti seemed to give the interior a lot of thought and tried to come up with something new. Whereas every else of the new batch (A6/GS/RL/STS) seems to be satisfied with rehashed stuff.
#18 of 10007 2005 Acura RL by andy71 Apr 11, 2004 (5:42 am)
Why is Acura trying to look retro? The 05 RL looks exactly like the 1998-2002 Accords. Lack of V8 is disappointing. People want the low rpm torque in luxury cars more than the high rpm horsepower. 300 Hp is certainly enough but that Hp should have been backed up by 340 ft-lb of torque at no higher than 4000rpm.
#19 of 10007 My pick for performance sedan for 2005 by dwongswong Apr 12, 2004 (8:06 pm)
Even though I own a 2003 Audi A6, my pick for the performance sedan among the cars listed is the Mercedes E320 CDI. Why? Simple.   The exterior is beautiful and classic looking. The interior is not simple or overdone like the ones I've seen. The diesel engine will last longer as well as get great gas mileage. I'm sure it will run with the others fine.   I was hoping that the new A6 would keep me with Audi, but too many things I saw I did not like.
#20 of 10007 dwongswong by shipo Apr 12, 2004 (8:11 pm)
I've ridden in an E320CDI taxi in Paris, I was stunned at how fast it accelerated from about 20mph to 100mph, in a similar league to my 530i 5-Speed.   Best Regards, Shipo

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