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Honda Civic, Toyota Corolla, Sedan
#69 of 199 Re: 2004 Honda Civic LX vs. 2004 Toyota Corolla LE [blueiedgod]
Sep 06, 2004 (2:26 pm)
Unfortunately, that's the lowest quote I could get here in Ohio and I have no other choice. The Internet Manager was very straightforward and gave me a breakdown upon request. The sales tax from my county is outragously high.
BTW, anybody from Columbus Ohio should stay away from Direct Autoplex (Toyota, Scion, Mazda). Went to test drive a Corolla over the weekend based on the 'invitation' of the Internet Manager; looking for him he's nowhere to be found. Another salesperson tried to 'earn' my business for the day. I asked twice for the price of 2005 Corolla S and the breakdown (tax, title, fees), but seemed to be ignored. The salesperson came back with monthly payment plan for 60 months way over what a Honda Internet Manager quoted me for a 2004 Civic LX out of the door.
I sensed something very fishy about the dealership, especially because the salesperson's facial expression changed from nice and smilling to very stiff after I demanded him to tell me the price of a Corolla S with no options installed. When I said my budget is way below that, he kept asking me how much was I willing to pay. I was so uncomfortable with the whole experience so I gave him a number that I knew his Manager wouldn't be able to match (though still reasonably in the range quoted by Honda on a Civic LX). I waited for 10 minutes before the salesperson came back and said he'd be in touch with the Internet Manager (who 'invited' me for the test drive) to contact me. It's such a ridiculous experience so when I got home I emailed the Internet Manager that I'm considering a different vehicle altogether. Wish I can report this to Toyota but again will Toyota care about this?
#70 of 199 Re: 2004 Honda Civic LX vs. 2004 Toyota Corolla LE [zaza]
Oct 01, 2004 (10:36 pm)
I know how you feel. I was not impressed with the Toyota dealers here. Honda was very straightforward and I got a great deal on a Civic LX. Actually I will be making my final decision tomorrow. I will visit Toyota first to give them one last chance to earn my business. (I do like the Corollas but the nonsense of having to take side airbags w/ABS is baloney).
I actually e-mailed toyota at gotoyota.com (or toyota.com) and the options are separate but 'geographical considerations' have more packaging...Well I wrote them to let them know they gave me no choice but to go w/Honda...(I know I have not yet decided, but it's 95% certain).
#71 of 199 I dont follow
Oct 02, 2004 (6:46 am)
Why is ABS and side curtain airbags an issue? Those are two incredibly important safety features, and for 2005 the Civic continues to be unavailable w/ side curtains. Additionally, the only way to get ABS in a Civic is to buy the EX, which is often more expensive than you can find a Corolla LE w/ABS and Side Curtains... since the LE can be had without the Civic's standard alloys and moonroof, for example...
Oct 02, 2004 (6:56 am)
I would suspect cost and the preference to sell the higher profit models, and at higher percentages.
I, for one am glad the choice is there. If you plan to keep your vehicle more than 10 years, the air bags have a 10 year cinderella/cinderfella stroke of midnight clause. I am sure you'd be amazed at how much it will cost if you follow the recommendation to replace it.
In regards to ABS, while conceptually a good idea, falls far far short of its intented goals. When the ABS first came out, even the insurance company (I presume did the projective studies) came out and gave a ABS discount; citing safer, cheaper, less accidents, yada yada. Not too many years later (two as I recollect) they categorically cancelled the discount; citing words to the effect; "no statistical significance in decreasing accidents and fatalities (fulfilling the stated goal) !!??
Also most folks who would swear by them, really don't even know that the intented purpose is to be able to STEER while so called executing "panic stop like" applications. In just about 650,000 miles, the only time that I personally have the ABS work is when I take them out to PURPOSELY function them. 1. to make sure it works 2 keep in practice.
The reason why you want to keep in practice is that 1. abs does NOT overcome the laws of physics 2. keep one confident in how you and it will behave under emergency conditions. So what % of folks do you know do this??
#73 of 199 Corolla is more refined than Civic
Oct 04, 2004 (9:50 am)
I just bought a Corolla S over the Civic EX. I tried both a few times, and the biggest difference I noticed was the smooth ride and solid feel of the Corolla over the Civic. The difference was substantial.
The Civic feels like a tin can versus a Corolla. 1. Shut the doors on the Civic and it sounds like you crushed a soda can. Shut the doors on the Corolla and they close with a soft, sound insulated, reassuring thud.
2. Ride around in the Civic and hit bumps, and the car feels very light and a bit bouncy. The Corolla soaks up bumps with a much quieter, insulated cabin, and smooth ride.
3. Add to that the fact that most Corollas can be had for less than the Civic EX, and the hands down winner is the Corolla.
Oct 04, 2004 (10:28 am)
I am glad you had a good experience!I shopped between a Toyota Corolla and Honda Civic. In words, the Corolla is like a mini Camry. To me, the Civic was far away the better deal.
Also using Edmunds.com and local research indicated the Civic depreciated FAR less than the Corolla.
Jan 31, 2005 (7:33 am)
#76 of 199 LA Auto Show 2005
Feb 02, 2005 (12:59 pm)
I went to the LA Auto Show and sat in both the Civic and the Corolla. They both felt comfortable but the Corolla felt more comfortable. I was also surprised to see/feel the comfort of the Corolla's rear seats!! Nice car!! I will probably be getting one later on this year...might even get a 2006 S
#77 of 199 jap man's #1pick
by jap man
Feb 06, 2005 (1:02 pm)
hi guys i guess by now we all bebated on wich is better corrola or civic right but i think the kind of person that buys these small cars are looking for value and most of reliability of course so we now both are exellent in reliability and we now the corrola is a little cheaper but. however do you now wich one is cheaper to maintane? tune-ups these vehicles are about the same as well as oil changes but what i discovered was that the timing belt replacement on a corola is a chaine driven belt that needs no changing ever on the vehicles life and also theres no valves to adjust being there hydraulicly adjusted for you now try getting that out of a civic timing belts on a civic need replacing after 100.000kms because there made of rubber and valves need adjusting every 45.000kms because they need to be manually adjusted. so all in all my #1 pick for lower service better value would be the corrola!
#78 of 199 Auto Transmissions
Feb 06, 2005 (1:46 pm)
The auto transmission on the Civic has grade-logic control. This means it holds a gear when going uphill to eliminate gear hunting. Dad's CR-V has this, and it is a nice feature and makes for a better drive.
The Corolla's AT says it is "ECT" or Electronically controlled. IS this similar to the "Grade Logic Control" of the Civic, or is it something defferent?