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#46 of 198 nyca by alpha01 Jun 23, 2004 (4:21 pm)
Not to be rude (and Im actually pro-Toyota on this one), but your experience is just that- one experience. Recommending the Corolla over the Civic based on your experience with only one of the two, and one that is 10 years old at that, seems hardly fair. The Civic engine now is quite different than the 1.5L (DX, LX) that powered the 1994. That said, I think the head gasket issue is reasonably valid for that model year Civic. Mine went at 97,000 miles or so, and a friends at 130,000. Still, this is not a predictor of the quality of the 2004s or 2005s, which are wholly different vehicles.   ~alpha
#47 of 198 speaking of timing belts versus chains... by ghulet Jun 24, 2004 (3:14 pm)
....are any cars still using timing belts of the 'interference' variety? That is, on interference cars, when the belt breaks, the engine is pretty much toast? I remember someone telling me when I had my '90 Mazda Protege LX that Hondas of that era were 'interference' while the Mazda was non-interference. Ergo, you could just wait for the belt to break without worrying about destroying the engine (not that I'd recommend that course of inaction, but still, it's possible).   Please correct me if I'm wrong here, folks?
#48 of 198 DX and VP Handling? by tomb Jun 28, 2004 (10:10 pm)
Far above in message #8 dated 4/24/2004, alpha01 writes,   "The Civic handles more nimbly, no doubt (but not the DX or VP models)."   Is the handling of the DX different from the LX? Is the hardware different in these two models?   I have a price of $12,500.00 for a two door DX VP, which is presented as a DX with air and CD. I drove the car and it handled well. I thought. Should I drive an LX? Should I expect the handling to be different?   Thanks,   Tom B. Replies to this message: tomb (Jun 29, 2004 10:14 am)
#49 of 198 Re: DX and VP Handling? [tomb #48] by tomb Jun 29, 2004 (10:14 am)
Replying to: tomb (Jun 28, 2004 10:10 pm) I've got the brochure for the 2004 Civic Coupe, and inside the back cover it lists the DX and HX without stabilizer bar, but shows the LX and EX with stabilizer bars, which are 15.9 mm in front and 12.00 mm in back.   Do these stabilizer bars make for much of a difference in handling?   Tom
#50 of 198 yes, they do. by alpha01 Jun 29, 2004 (4:27 pm)
I had a tail happy 1994 Civic DX coupe w/o the stabilizer bar, and it felt sloppier (lots more body roll) than a friend's 95 Civic EX.   If you can afford the LX, go for that car. Its just much nicer overall, and will be a lot easier to resell down the road.   Would you instead consider an Elantra? You can easily get one equipped like the Civic LX except with head protection side airbags, for the price you're being quoted for the Civic DX.   Also, you may want to check with your insurance company on the cost to insure a Civic 2 door vs. the cost to insure the 4-door. I'm guessing you could save some money there.   ~alpha Replies to this message: tomb (Jun 29, 2004 10:48 pm) alpha01 (Jul 01, 2004 6:55 pm) warner (Jul 02, 2004 6:49 am)
#51 of 198 Re: yes, they do. [alpha01 #50] by tomb Jun 29, 2004 (10:48 pm)
Replying to: alpha01 (Jun 29, 2004 4:27 pm) Thanks, alpha, for your helpful comments.   What is you opinion of spending $228.00 for front side air bags?   Tom B. Replies to this message: alpha01 (Jul 01, 2004 6:55 pm) warner (Jul 02, 2004 6:49 am)
#52 of 198 Chain/Belt by mauto Jun 30, 2004 (11:35 am)
Most cars today have switched to the timing chain and the Civic engines will eventually do the same. A timing chain lasts the life of the engine - a belt last about 100k miles. The reason to use a belt is partly noise related, but mostly cost related. It's much cheaper (for Honda) to build an engine with a belt and make the consumer pay for its eventual replacement. I've always traded in my Civic before 100k because I figure that the $500 would be better spent towards another new Civic. If you plan on buying and keeping a Civic for the 100k miles, this is certainly something to think about. With this in mind you really need to add $500 to the new price of a Civic to compare it to other new cars with the chain. Replies to this message: blueiedgod (Jul 03, 2004 5:42 am)
#53 of 198 About Insurance. by tomb Jun 30, 2004 (1:14 pm)
Referring to Message 50 above.   I'm insured by State Farm, and they said the 2-door would cost me $58.00 a year more than the 4-door, everything else being equal.   I'm a 60-something-year-old geezer, and that surely affects the amount they quoted.   Tom B.
#54 of 198 Re: yes, they do. [tomb #51] by alpha01 Jul 01, 2004 (6:55 pm)
Replying to: tomb (Jun 29, 2004 10:48 pm) Tom,   I think the side airbags offered in the 2004 Civic are only marginally beneficial, since they only protect the torso. For the cost, I'd say get them, but if they were any more expensive Id probably not care. To be clear, the seat mounted side impact airbags offered on the Civic do NOT protect the head. Same thing for the 2004 Corolla, but this was changed for the 2005s, which are currently available (the 2005s feature front seat mounted thoracic and head protection side curtains for front and rear passengers).   In terms of insurance, with a clean record and many years of driving experience, I can understand why the 2 door is not that much more $$.   ~alpha Replies to this message: warner (Jul 02, 2004 6:49 am)
#55 of 198 Get them if you can.... by warner Jul 02, 2004 (6:49 am)
Replying to: alpha01 (Jul 01, 2004 6:55 pm) I really wanted the side-impact airbags when I bought my LX. However, since I also wanted a 5-speed, this configuration was not too common and I couldn't find one in the color that I wanted, so I had to settle for an LX without them. This is not an option that can be added....had to come from the factory with them. For the price, it would be foolish NOT to have them if you could get them.                        Warner

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