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Honda Civic, Toyota Corolla, Sedan
Feb 24, 2005 (5:41 am)
First of all......I don't know where the heck you are getting your info from about Toyota losing its share with Blah blah and blah. Get realistic......Toyota is going to beat GM Motors in its sales which is the number one company in the world and are you telling me the older generations are only buying the car. The technology that honda is supposedly making is taking them where?????? If you also had your facts right ...you would also know that Toyota was the first company to actually come out with the Hybrid technology not honda. Also..as you so stated about somebody buying/using honda technology, you should also know that Ford and Nissan are using Toyota hybrid Technology and NOT honda. I am so disgusted with the Honda Brand in general. Had one....let me down. Parents had one....let them down. As for all your raves about Honda.....its overrated. I would buy a Corolla over a Civic anyday. Test drove it the other day and the corolla just kicks butt. Wasn't even impressed with the Civic but anyways now talking about teenagers and their liking to civics only. Please give me a break. Where I live, the Corolla is just all over the place especially on college campuses and if you even read the CR magazines, the reliability of Toyotas are excellent where as the hondas are just very good . However the satisfaction of the honda is excellent and the Toyota is very good. I am not sorry for being biased but the honda has given me and my family lots of transmission problems and I am sick of it. You can Never go wrong with a TOYOTA!!!!
Read the press relase for Scion brand creation. I never compared Toyota to GM, I simple stated the facts in the press release, that Toyota wants to bring young people to the brand. Toyota's average buyer age is in the mid 40's while Honda's average buyer is early 30's. There is 10 to 15 year gap in average age of buyers. Which means that Honda gets more new buyers, and Toyota simply retains the old clientelle, while unable to attract younger buyers. Both brands have about 60% retention rate as far as repeat buyers, but Honda has more young college graduates as new buyers, while Toyota has more retiree home residents as repeat buyers. These new buys start at the low end models and slowly progress to the higher end models as their incomes rise. If Toyota fails to attaract new, fresh out of college buyers, there will be no more repeat buyers for Toyota.
I never stated that Honda brought hybrid to the market first. But since you brought in the hybrids. Both Honda and Toyota had hybrids in Japan at the same time, but Honda took the risk of bringing the Insight here well before Toyota brought the Prius to US shores. Once again, Honda took a risk, while Toyota sat back and watched.
Honda hybrid is a much simpler system with alot less parts to go wrong, and it achieves almost the same results. Since it is simpler it costs less to produce. It will be easier to maintain down the road, and repairs will cost less, if ever needed one.
The technology that honda is supposedly making is taking them where??????
Honda has broadened its market outside of Automotive and into power equipement, emergency relief equipment, robotics, and aeronautics. Yes, Honda has built a prototype airplane. It may never go on sale, but people didn't think that humanoid robot was a possibilty either. And, what do you know, Honda is selling Azimo to the public in Japan and showcasing it around the world since 2001. A completley autonomous humanoid robot. Something that we thought was science fiction, Honda brought to reality.
As far as Honda's transmission problems, Honda stepped up to the plate and extended warranty coverage on affected V6 auto Accords and Oddyseys to 100,000 miles. What did Toyota do for the people whose V6's siezed up on them due to sludge build up?
You can Never go wrong with a TOYOTA!!!!
Just like famous fictional MI7 agent said: "Never say never, again"
#103 of 199 Re: [camrylover]
Feb 24, 2005 (7:25 am)
I am so disgusted with the Honda Brand in general. Had one....let me down. Parents had one....let them down. As for all your raves about Honda.....its overrated. I would buy a Corolla over a Civic anyday.
Just based off of your screen name, I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you have a heavy bias. I will say this, Honda is anything but overrated. Your supposed sample size can certainly weigh in on your future judgements but I think you're taking this a little too personally.
You prefer the Corolla? Terrific. There's a lot of people who also made that decision. This thread is to weigh the pros and cons of both cars and I think the differences have been articulated quite well so far.
But there's a reason the Civic is a top ten selling car year after year and I'll give you a hint, one of them is not because it's overrated.
Feb 24, 2005 (5:15 pm)
My point is that I have been let down by hondas and just am sick of their trans problem. As for attracting the younger generation....I don't see anything wrong about that. This auto market is highy competitive and its just not with cars but every other aspects of life that you can think of. Hey...i have no problem with innovation. Kudos to the innovator!!!!
I am a young buyer myself ...just a college student and I am heavily biased on Toyota because I have had no probs with them and my family has had them for many many years of quality and dependable rides. I am a camry owner myself. I have the 2005 Camry XLE and before that a 1988 Camry which I might add, is still running strong with 298K miles on it. As for the honda...trans problems begin once it has reached 45K with both the hondas that my family had. It's weird but thats the truth. My spouse is considering buying the Corolla and I have test driven it and the Civic just to see how it is in comparison. I am just sooooo totally in love with the Corolla. It has a nice peppy engine and handling is just sooo awesome and its quiet with nicer interior than the civic imo.
This is not my forum. I belong some where else.
Anyway...i am out.
#105 of 199 Re: [camrylover]
Feb 24, 2005 (5:28 pm)
I am totally with you about the Toyota Corolla. I especially like the S. Just test drove it a few days back and just like you I am in love with the car. My friend has the Civic and after test driving the corolla, he is enamored by it. He would like to sell his Civic for the Corolla, but is not very sure since he will be losing some money in the process. He too looked at it and called it a Baby Lexus. I like the Corolla better too because of its nicer interior and peppy engine and it is a cute car.
#106 of 199 Corolla VS Civic
Feb 24, 2005 (6:05 pm)
toyota had made many excellent quality cars, nowadays the toyota build quality has declined(IMO)examples: Hesitation/Transmission/e-throttle, Engine-sludge, lack highway stability, safety features particular on lower trim, etc! though they have great fit-&-finish! btw, Just wondering does your camry has any hesitation?
2005 Corolla might be a better car than 2005 Civic! It would be interesting to see the improvement on 2006 Civic! example: 2006 Civic Si has 200hp(detune of a rsx type s engine) while Corolla XRS has 170hp! who is better?
#107 of 199 Re: Corolla VS Civic [carzzz]
Feb 24, 2005 (6:16 pm)
carzzz....Give me a break. Lets talk about the 2005 corolla S and the 2005 civic EX. Both of the cars have approximately 130 HP. The Corolla feels and rides a lot better than the civic. The corolla's engine is also more responsive. If you are talking about HP pleazzzzz........does that mean a car is better because it has more HP. In that case...I could say that the mustang is better than the civic.
Its the quality, ride, smoothness and reliability that matter. Both cars have them with and an edge to the corolla imho.
By the way...my 2005 XLE Camry has no hesitation and I have talked to other camry owners/friends and they don't have hesitation problems either.
#108 of 199 Re: Corolla VS Civic [camrylover]
Feb 24, 2005 (7:18 pm)
it's good that your car does not hesitate! I agree with you that Civic lacks low-end torque, which make it felt less reponsive! The Civic only has 110 lbft of torque on lower trim(4 more on EX)! Corolla has 125 lbft... definitely corolla wins on this! 2006 Civic Si(2004 RSX type S) has 142 lbft while Corolla XRS only 127 lbft... Torque is the power that make the car accelerate, not hp!
BTW my opinion to camry and corolla are that they have:
smooth ride ( lacking driving dynamic/feeback + mushy ride)
quiet (tooooo isolated from outside, i would prefer slightly more road noise and wind noise because of realistic "driving")
noisy(toooo much engine noise both inside and outside, is good that i do not need any amplifier and make it "sounds" like a muscle car). It is very funny when people hear the engine roar and look toward you, they just discover that it is merely a "toyota" without modification!
#109 of 199 Re: Corolla VS Civic [carzzz]
Feb 24, 2005 (11:42 pm)
Carzzzz....you are entitled to your own opinion and whatever you said......yeah whatever.....
I know it is not a Camry forum but I guess ppl buying Camry's must reallly like the Camry's mushy ride as you so put it. Those ppl also made the camry the # 1 best selling car in the US.
#110 of 199 Re: [camrylover]
Feb 25, 2005 (6:32 am)
As for the honda...trans problems begin once it has reached 45K with both the hondas that my family had. It's weird but thats the truth.
That is weird. The Honda's that have gone through my family include a '89 accord w/ 227k(before it was sold), a '92 accord w/155k (also sold), a '98 civic w/ 123k, a '01 civic w/ 51k, a '00 crv w/ 70k, and a '03 accord (V6) w/ 15k. Not one transmission problem. No slips, nothing. I don't anticipate ever seeing it as a problem as my '98 civic runs terrifically smooth.
It sounds as if you were horribly unlucky. Given that, I would be miffed as well but I'm afraid your experiences w/ Honda are unusual at best.
#111 of 199 Toyota VS Honda
Feb 25, 2005 (8:07 am)
-Many CRs claim Corolla/Matrix has a noisy engine! (it is already noisy even at idling rpm!)
-Both Civic & Accord are Top 10 Best Selling Vehicles in the US! (There must be a reason! Just wondering why did Corolla made it?)
-Honda is more of a "driver" car vs Toyota is more of a "passengers" car because of driving dynamic, feedback, etc (When many people cross-shop between a toyota/honda, they would pick honda instead because of those reasons!)
-Different drivers have different taste! There will never be a invalid opinion toward a car!
-2003 economy sedan comparison test, Edmunds pick Civic as #1 while Corolla was 5th...