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#9858 of 10936 Re: Acura Civic [ateixeira]
Dec 05, 2012 (10:04 am)
Looking at the public, I will take that as a compliment
Acura is up via soft roader-estrogen mobile sales, no doubt. Anything in the lineup to make an enthusiast look? Not much.
Can't get the TSX wagon in a 4cyl at all, can you? When it's a diesel, get back to me. That wagon is probably the most appealing vehicle in the lineup to me.
RL is painful. Old/current one is a nice car with lots of tech, but just so bland and kind of outclassed engine-wise for the market position - and it virtually doesn't sell, faring worse than even the old GS at the end of its run. New one is invisibly styled save for the different-for-the-sake-of-being-different light eyes. I bet that won't right the ship.
#9859 of 10936 Re: Acura Civic [fintail]
Dec 05, 2012 (10:13 am)
I drove the last gen TL-S, the AWD model, and those were nice. Haven't looked lately as I'm not in to sedans.
I think you can get a TSX wagon 4 banger. It would be a better package with a manual, but that's not what the public buys so I get why it's not offered.
Acura has a real identity crisis. Honda has always wanted to be perceived as green, but Toyota stole that away with the Prius (deservingly or not). Even Hyundai cheated to beat Honda's CAFE averages. They can't catch a break.
Any how, that green image keeps them from putting a V8 in their flagship, and that's what keeps Acura from being taken seriously as a luxury make. It's really just an upscale brand.
For even more damage, Honda has been limited to being "less than Acura", which is why we got a cheap Civic.
And so on.
NSX will help create a halo. The AWD RL had better be a home run. They can use electric AWD with torque vectoring to keep things interesting.
#9860 of 10936 Re: Acura Civic [ateixeira]
by steve_ HOST
Dec 05, 2012 (10:22 am)
That link you posted over in the Lincoln Motor discussion mentioned that Acuras were noisy. I thought that issue was just with the Hondas. Guess some people think all their vehicles have too much cabin noise?
#9861 of 10936 Re: Acura Civic [ateixeira]
Dec 05, 2012 (10:22 am)
The previous TL was a nice looking car too. New one - weird, and they can get expensive.
Hmm I was under the impression TSX wagon was V6 only, I see it isn't. The 4 actually has more appeal somehow, maybe out of fear of V6 transmission issues in older Honda models.
I think the RL will need to be more eye catching to make the segment take notice. The tech is nice, but if it doesn't look like a step up from a TL...hard sell. I wouldn't bank on that home run.
Like you say, Acura isn't seen as a make, because too often it isn't - too many models are fancy Hondas. I am not sure if the brand even exists outside of NA and China yet.
#9862 of 10936 Re: Acura Civic [steve_]
Dec 05, 2012 (10:28 am)
Hmm, not me. I don't think I even follow that thread.
I have noticed Hondas have a bit more road noise, the last rental Accord was like that. The brand new one supposedly fixes that, dunno.
I think mostly it's because Honda/Acura are compared to Toyota/Lexus and the latter are the masters of NVH control.
#9863 of 10936 Re: Acura Civic [fintail]
Dec 05, 2012 (10:30 am)
Poor Infiniti, though, they've invested more in unique platforms and done most of the right things, yet they do less volume than Acura.
Dec 05, 2012 (10:33 am)
One behind the other, this AM.
Boy, the XTS looks loooo-ong. I like it, though.
What I noticed about the GS is how big the greenhouse is.
Nice to see windows making a comeback after a dark period of that "chopped" look.
You can actually see out of cars again now.
#9866 of 10936 Re: Acura Civic [steve_]
Dec 05, 2012 (10:34 am)
No prob, sounds like something I could have said.
#9867 of 10936 Re: Acura Civic [ateixeira]
Dec 05, 2012 (10:39 am)
Infiniti is also offered (I hesitate to say "sold") as a brand in more locations, which adds cred to me anyway.
Biggest issue with that brand to my eyes is styling, and I don't like the V6 exhaust drone.