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#9761 of 10934 Re: . [ateixeira]
Nov 28, 2012 (7:56 am)
AMG was an independent company slowly absorbed, that chose to to tune mainly (but not exclusively) MB products. The Lexus tuning group is simply a branch set up in a place where performance tuning of cars is perfected to a greater level than in the homeland. Apples to oranges.
When such a car can be bought at my local dealer, let me know. Until then, prototype.
#9762 of 10934 Re: . [ateixeira]
Nov 28, 2012 (7:57 am)
What merit was lost? Put up or shut up. I am not the only one to scrutinize the "different for the sake of being different" front end that the bland L has adopted.
And another red herring distraction, nice.
#9763 of 10934 Re: . [ateixeira]
Nov 28, 2012 (8:00 am)
I wonder what kind of frankencar could be made out of a toy hauling minivan. The low step up is key, SUVs and soft roaders won't work. Put something else under the hood too, might be amusing.
#9764 of 10934 Re: . [fintail]
Nov 28, 2012 (9:31 am)
Your criticism, not mine, specifically said:
The one developed by a German tuning division, as the existing people couldn't get it done?
Ironically that applies better to AMG.
#9765 of 10934 Re: . [fintail]
Nov 28, 2012 (9:33 am)
I prefer to evaluate a machine based on merit, like lap times, not some vague and subjective measures like "soul".
You say you will accept it once they're available for sale but that's not true, then you'll whine about cost or sales volume or some other excuse not to accept cars that earned their keep.
#9766 of 10934 Re: . [fintail]
Nov 28, 2012 (9:55 am)
I wonder what kind of frankencar could be made out of a toy hauling minivan
Renault F1 Espace, but it was just a concept.
#9767 of 10934 Re: . [ateixeira]
Nov 28, 2012 (11:47 am)
But maybe not, as MB wasn't even trying to tune its own passenger/road cars before AMG rolled around, and never tried to compete with any independent tuners - unlike Toyota (does anyone even care to want to tune a Toyota?). I guess F-sport wasn't good enough for this LS, send it off to Germany to be done properly.
#9768 of 10934 Re: . [ateixeira]
Nov 28, 2012 (11:55 am)
Who used "soul"? It's a quote, right? It's the name of a Kia, strangely enough. Fun distraction, bad tactic.
Lap times are only worth so much, as well - lots of variables there. A few seconds here and there can also often be a driver issue.
Once they are available, do you have info lacked by everyone else?
"Earned their keep" - once you can leave the US and see one on the street, maybe. Until then, a barge that makes a base LS/A8/7er look downright exhilarating, and appeals mostly to bland Americans who think those cars are just a bit too edgy thank you, now where is my vanilla ice milk and tax break?
Espace would be a good hauler, not as big as a normal minivan. Once again Europe gets the useful stuff, we get CUVs.
#9769 of 10934 Re: . [fintail]
Nov 28, 2012 (11:55 am)
FT86 was just named the tuner's choice at SEMA.
The island of Japan is too narrow for a twin turbo V8. Hit the gas going east or west and you'll hit water.
#9770 of 10934 Re: . [ateixeira]
Nov 28, 2012 (11:57 am)
First tunable Toyota in what, 25 years?
One prototype Lexus based on an old model with no definite signs of production isn't enough to change things just yet.
But hey, they are trying.