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Jan 17, 2013 (9:35 am)
Avalon sales are exceeding expectations, and that's with the same old same old powertrain.
The markets' tastes don't line up with yours.
Forte is getting a re-do right around now, was it the brand new one? I'm not even sure if those are out yet.
#10076 of 10921 Re: . [ateixeira]
Jan 17, 2013 (9:55 am)
Exceeding expectations, or exceeding sales of the 2012 model which no doubt sold less than previous models, as the devotees were waiting for the new one? I know the 2012 was involved in a massive fleet dump. I still haven't seen one of the dual grille gaping maw models in person.
I haven't seen a credible source claiming the Avalon is a nice design. Even if it sells (which it will, it's a Japanese Buick, and aging boomers love Toyota), doesn't make it good design.
I think the "new" Forte will be a 2014 model, the one I saw was a current one.
Jan 17, 2013 (10:04 am)
I've seen TONS, but then again Jim Coleman Toyota is about 2 miles from my house.
I haven't seen a credible source claiming the Avalon isn't a nice design
No source is credible to you, so I'll flip that right back at ya!
#10078 of 10921 Re: . [ateixeira]
Jan 17, 2013 (10:18 am)
TONS of the new model? What expectations is it exceeding?
Nice debate tactic. Are you insinuating the Avalon's face is even passably decent design? Hell, I can't find ANY source calling that maw a piece of good design, even noted devils advocate/underdog embracers/instigators won't say it directly
#10079 of 10921 Re: . [fintail]
by steve_ HOST
Jan 17, 2013 (10:49 am)
Not on point so much, but there's a shift starting to happen. Gen Y styling?
"The power that U.S. baby boomers have exercised for nearly 50 years over the auto industry is starting to wane—finally.
Luxury car makers aren't the only ones chasing the Gen X/Gen Y bulge. Toyota Motor Corp. which rode the loyalty of baby boomer buyers to astounding success in the U.S. from the 1970s on, is turning its full attention to the rising generations. In Detroit, Toyota showed a sneak preview of the new design for its journeyman Corolla compact sedan, a mainstay for thrifty-minded boomers. The new look displayed by the Furia concept car is a flashy, overt appeal to kids who grew up on the "Fast and Furious" movie franchise.
Global brands such as Mercedes, BMW and Audi are finding that the young, newly rich in markets such as China or Latin America want vehicles that are more compact, efficient and sporty than the big limos the older cadres drive. The opportunity they hope to seize is to sell technology-laden, compact luxury vehicles to both young Chinese strivers and successful young consumers in the U.S."
Auto Makers Look Past Baby Boomers (Wall St. Journal)
Jan 17, 2013 (10:48 am)
Avalon was up 66.3% in December.
I prefer the Fusion's inverted version of that grille, but it's not that bad.
It's certainly not X6/Panamera/Juke/Odyssey ugly, not even close.
#10081 of 10921 Re: . [ateixeira]
Jan 17, 2013 (11:02 am)
It was up because nobody (but Enterprise Holdings) was buying the aging soon to be replaced model last year. See Lexus GS.
I can actually deal with the Odyssey most out of that list, for some reason. It's a van, so it can get away with some ugly/weird more than something with sporty pretenses.
#10082 of 10921 Re: . [steve_]
Jan 17, 2013 (11:05 am)
I don't know if that explains the ugly dual grille, but it might explain some of the dopey anime styling out there. A tough generation to catch in the west, seeing as for the most part, they are worse off than their boomer predecessors.
No doubt wooing well-connected Chinese embezzlers and similar coddled crowds will be profitable.
#10083 of 10921 Re: . [fintail]
Jan 17, 2013 (1:28 pm)
Looks are definitely a personal thing. But I saw a new Avalon up close a few weeks ago while getting an oil change. To me at least, it looked better than the pictures appeared. I didn't find it gorgeous, but it wasn't outright ugly either. It also gives a buyer a lot for the money, so I can understand it's initial success.
#10084 of 10921 Re: . [berri]
Jan 17, 2013 (3:16 pm)
It's perfectly inoffensive and pleasant enough, so long as you don't look at the front below the windshield