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#10073 of 10984 Re: . [fintail] by ateixeira

Jan 17, 2013 (8:08 am)

Replying to: fintail (Jan 16, 2013 7:44 pm)
Sonata and Accord hybrid/PHEVs don't look as good as the conventional models.
 
I think manufacturers try too hard to distinguish them.
 
Camry hybrid outsells both combined, and it's stealthy (looks "normal").

#10074 of 10984 Re: . [ateixeira] by fintail

Jan 17, 2013 (9:05 am)

Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 17, 2013 8:08 am)
And knowing their collective styling knack. At least Toyota knows to keep it subtle - if only they could have done so for the Avalon's face. All attention isn't good attention, some of these cars are going to look even worse in another decade.
 
Brand new unplated still spotless 5-door Kia Forte in the workplace parking garage. I think that design looks awkward compared to the Elantra GT.

#10075 of 10984 Re: . [fintail] by ateixeira

Jan 17, 2013 (9:35 am)

Replying to: fintail (Jan 17, 2013 9:05 am)
Avalon sales are exceeding expectations, and that's with the same old same old powertrain.
 
The markets' tastes don't line up with yours.
 
Forte is getting a re-do right around now, was it the brand new one? I'm not even sure if those are out yet.

#10076 of 10984 Re: . [ateixeira] by fintail

Jan 17, 2013 (9:55 am)

Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 17, 2013 9:35 am)
Exceeding expectations, or exceeding sales of the 2012 model which no doubt sold less than previous models, as the devotees were waiting for the new one? I know the 2012 was involved in a massive fleet dump. I still haven't seen one of the dual grille gaping maw models in person.
 
I haven't seen a credible source claiming the Avalon is a nice design. Even if it sells (which it will, it's a Japanese Buick, and aging boomers love Toyota), doesn't make it good design.
 
I think the "new" Forte will be a 2014 model, the one I saw was a current one.

#10077 of 10984 Re: . [fintail] by ateixeira

Jan 17, 2013 (10:04 am)

Replying to: fintail (Jan 17, 2013 9:55 am)
I've seen TONS, but then again Jim Coleman Toyota is about 2 miles from my house.
 
I haven't seen a credible source claiming the Avalon isn't a nice design
 
No source is credible to you, so I'll flip that right back at ya!
 

#10078 of 10984 Re: . [ateixeira] by fintail

Jan 17, 2013 (10:18 am)

Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 17, 2013 10:04 am)
TONS of the new model? What expectations is it exceeding?
 
Nice debate tactic. Are you insinuating the Avalon's face is even passably decent design? Hell, I can't find ANY source calling that maw a piece of good design, even noted devils advocate/underdog embracers/instigators won't say it directly

#10079 of 10984 Re: . [fintail] by Stever@Edmunds HOST

Jan 17, 2013 (10:49 am)

Replying to: fintail (Jan 17, 2013 10:18 am)
Not on point so much, but there's a shift starting to happen. Gen Y styling?
 
"The power that U.S. baby boomers have exercised for nearly 50 years over the auto industry is starting to wane—finally.
 
Luxury car makers aren't the only ones chasing the Gen X/Gen Y bulge. Toyota Motor Corp. which rode the loyalty of baby boomer buyers to astounding success in the U.S. from the 1970s on, is turning its full attention to the rising generations. In Detroit, Toyota showed a sneak preview of the new design for its journeyman Corolla compact sedan, a mainstay for thrifty-minded boomers. The new look displayed by the Furia concept car is a flashy, overt appeal to kids who grew up on the "Fast and Furious" movie franchise.
 
Global brands such as Mercedes, BMW and Audi are finding that the young, newly rich in markets such as China or Latin America want vehicles that are more compact, efficient and sporty than the big limos the older cadres drive. The opportunity they hope to seize is to sell technology-laden, compact luxury vehicles to both young Chinese strivers and successful young consumers in the U.S."
 
Auto Makers Look Past Baby Boomers (Wall St. Journal)

#10080 of 10984 Re: . [fintail] by ateixeira

Jan 17, 2013 (10:48 am)

Replying to: fintail (Jan 17, 2013 10:18 am)
Avalon was up 66.3% in December.
 
I prefer the Fusion's inverted version of that grille, but it's not that bad.
 
It's certainly not X6/Panamera/Juke/Odyssey ugly, not even close.

#10081 of 10984 Re: . [ateixeira] by fintail

Jan 17, 2013 (11:02 am)

Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 17, 2013 10:48 am)
It was up because nobody (but Enterprise Holdings) was buying the aging soon to be replaced model last year. See Lexus GS.
 
I can actually deal with the Odyssey most out of that list, for some reason. It's a van, so it can get away with some ugly/weird more than something with sporty pretenses.

#10082 of 10984 Re: . [steve_] by fintail

Jan 17, 2013 (11:05 am)

Replying to: Stever@Edmunds (Jan 17, 2013 10:49 am)
I don't know if that explains the ugly dual grille, but it might explain some of the dopey anime styling out there. A tough generation to catch in the west, seeing as for the most part, they are worse off than their boomer predecessors.
 
No doubt wooing well-connected Chinese embezzlers and similar coddled crowds will be profitable.

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