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#921 of 3084 Concept looked awesome, production model doesn't.
Mar 10, 2006 (9:24 pm)
Lincoln blew it. Why on earth didn't they stick to the concept version exterior? That car was so beautiful, especially the rear end of the car. The rims/tires were agressive. It was something special to look at. The production car looks nice but compared to the concept it's just boring and it's a shame. Ford/Mercury/Lincoln never seem to get anything 100% on the money. Does the company have any explanation as to why they did this to the exterior? I do actually prefer the production interior over the concept car. Here is a link to the concept car to refresh our memories of what this car COULD and SHOULD have looked like.
#922 of 3084 Re: Concept looked awesome, production model doesn't. [pmerk28]
Mar 10, 2006 (10:10 pm)
Actually, I like the production car better than the concept car. There is something juvenile about the appearance of the concept car, particularly the wheels. The production chrome wheels are sharp. The production interior is much better than the concept interior.
#923 of 3084 Re: Concept looked awesome, production model doesn't. [priggly]
Mar 10, 2006 (11:02 pm)
My Canadian friend, I have to disagree with you on this one. When I saw the concept Zephyr, I literally wanted to put my deposit on it so I'd be gauranteed to have one of the firsts. I loved the production Zephyr.
I don't know what happens at Ford. They are too scared to take risks and at the same time do what is necessary. To me it is quite easy.
A. Build it in America (it's a Lincoln, it can carry the premium)
B. Bring out the concept AS IS just like Chrysler and Mazda who are both looked at as great on design.
C. Design a modern, flowing interior like Cadi has done or what Lincoln showed with the MKS and concept Aviator. Matter of fact this is taken care of in B. For all else interior wise, copy Toyota as to interior size, plastic quality, panel gap. materials, packaging, etc.
#924 of 3084 Re: Concept looked awesome, production model doesn't. [driverdm]
Mar 11, 2006 (6:28 am)
The concept isn't that different. Still, there are details missing, like around the front fog lights and the tailpipes. That is too bad, but I suspect it was simple cost savings. Same on the interior. The covered cup holder looks so much more expensive than the open holes Ford insists on putting in its up level models. Some of us notice and care about such cheapness.
I have no idea why they took the tail lights in such a different direction. The production ones certainly don't look more elegant and I can't imagine that they are much cheaper either.
#925 of 3084 Re: Concept looked awesome, production model doesn't. [driverdm]
Mar 11, 2006 (6:31 am)
I agree - Why can other car companies produce vehicles that look like what they show and tease with and Ford produces what looks like that vehicles "before" picture from one of those plastic surgery make-over shows?
Mar 11, 2006 (9:02 am)
Must of what doesn't pass into production mainly has to do with safety. Specially pertaining to bumpers. The sleek flush one of prototypes look nice, but realistically they aren't useful or even pass crash standards. Same with all that shiney chrome interior some Lincoln concepts have had....it's a safety issue...as well as some other toys or gimmicks found on the interior.
"or all else interior wise, copy Toyota as to interior size, plastic quality, panel gap. materials, packaging, etc. "
I hope not, Toyota interior quality in my opinion has dropped from some copies I've dealt with. Let alone, I have an issue with the cheap mousefur carpet they use on some vehicles, and the spray on-like felt headliner on many of their vehicles... Thats there way to cut corners, so it's understandable. For interiors, it's VW/Audi that sets the benchmark...it's just a shame that the package it's on is as unreliable as a Kia.
For years I complained because all the concept vehicles were being designed, yet NOTHING would hit the market. This was a major gripe I had with Ford. Teasing people with concepts such as the 427, the drivetrain of the Meta One, the Continental, the Navi-cross (which was a jump and a skip away from being produced) that never made it remotely. The most that made it was the 427 Grill onto the Fusion.
And because of that, now concepts will be much closer to reality, than the above mentioned vehicles. These being the Lincoln MKS for example, this Zephyr/MKZ. The changes made from the concept to the production are not as dramatic, b ut yet are feasable.
So, is it better to have a few changes, or not have a vehicle at all? Personally the spending budget on concept vehicles/teasers that never will see the light has been slashed heavily
#927 of 3084 Re: A: [ANT14]
Mar 11, 2006 (9:10 am)
"I hope not, Toyota interior quality in my opinion has dropped from some copies I've dealt with."
I owned a 2000 Camry Solara and a 2005 Camry XLE and both of these interiors were superlative for the price range. The 2005 Camry XLE interior could have passed for a $37,000 car. 99% of the domestics are nowhere close to Toyota/Honda in interior fit and finish. In fact the Zephyr is the 1% at least in the ball park IMO.
Mar 11, 2006 (9:16 am)
I'm not saying they aren't, but the domestics have closed the gap a bit (even GM who's interiors were previously designed by Mattel). But even Toyota has their shortcuts in the quality of their interiors, whereas with VW/Audi's, you really have to search for it.
And thats the main reason the domestics have improved their interior... for quality perception. VW has proved time and tiem again, and have rated tops in "quality perception" surveys because of the quality of their materials, senses, colors, woods, surfaces, etc.
Ford itself has improved cabin furnishes budget 3 timesfold per vehicle, and as displayed by a few recent entries, it's evident. Of course, I can always point out where some of the shortcuts were taken...but that would be cheating if I shared that
#929 of 3084 Re: pmerk [ANT14]
Mar 11, 2006 (9:28 am)
ANT14 do you work for Ford or a dealer?
I am with you on Audi interiors, the A8 interior kills BMW/Mercedes/Jaguar in that price range. Stunning is the word. I really really want to love American cars, but the one GLARING place where they fall short year after year after year is interiors. GM is the all time worst of course. A Lexus ES 330 interior (and the new 350 coming out) absolutely embarrasses the Cadillac STS interior.
GM legacy costs built into each vehicle leads to cost cutting which means hard plastics, cheap plastics and the sharing of Chevy Aveo knobs in a 50,000 caddy. It is a disgrace to me. Thank the Lord the new Tahoe/Escalade got a major upgrade but of course those are SUV's which GM has proven it can do. The Mercury Milan interior is full or hard cheap plastic and that awful faux aluminum plastic. When it come to passenger car interiors Chrysler/Doge/GM/Ford are not in the same hemisphere as Audi/Lexus(the king)/Toyota/Honda/Acura/VW/Infiniti.
GM has even managed to ruin Saab's interiors.
#930 of 3084 Re: pmerk [ANT14]
Mar 11, 2006 (9:32 am)
Watch GM destroy the awesome Enclave Interior once it goes into production.....