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#300 of 3084 2006 Lincoln Zephyr Vs. Aruca TSX
Jun 08, 2005 (12:51 am)
Well this should livin up the board just a little bit.
I think the Lincoln Zephyr is a sharp looking sedan and it should do well for Lincoln. The Zephyr isn't hardly perfect, I dunno why in the world Lincoln has this love affair with Auto trannies but if they made a manual 5 or 6 speed available with the Zephyr it would make it a pretty sporty package. That's one of the biggest complaints that I hear about the Ford Fusion. Ford doesn't offer a manual on V6 only a 6-speed auto. However, I feel It's going to struggle for a little bit but once they (Ford) drop in the 3.5 V6 and make it AWD it should do better. Also, I think that people should hold off on judgment on the appearance of this car. It looks allot better in person than it does on the pics that you see floating around the internet. especially when it's in black.
Also, if they drop in the AWD 3.5 V6 does anybody know if it's going to have a Manual tranny ?
Well anyway, here's the question for now. which one would you take a 2006 Lincoln Zephyr or a 2006 Aruca TSX ??
Zephyr in Black Pic #1
Zephyr in Black Pic #2
Zephyr in Black Pic #3
#301 of 3084 Re: 2006 Lincoln Zephyr Vs. Aruca TSX [theman123]
Jun 08, 2005 (5:12 am)
The Lincoln dealer cabal would sooner be shot than have to deal with a car with a manual transmission.
They'll point to the short-lived LS manual experiment, during which a tiny fraction (<2%) were delivered as manuals. Of course, the dealers wouldn't stock them for test drives, and many actively discouraged those who wanted to special order one (virtually the only way to get one). The low number of manuals was a self-fulfilling prophecy for Lincoln, and it sounds like a similar, though not quite so dramatic, situation exists in CTS-land. The North American public (that no one ever went broke underestimating) does not embrace expensive cars with manual transmissions. Which leaves me in a bit of a bind, given that I don't care for the Teutonic reliability situation. So far (80K miles) the LS is holding up okay though, so it's not an immediate need.
Jun 10, 2005 (7:19 am)
About 40 photos related to the production model: http://tinyurl.com/7sofq
Compare it to the concept: http://tinyurl.com/b72c4
Steve, you're right , and I don't think any thought has been given to it, chances of a standard in the Zephyr will be quite slim.
#303 of 3084 impressions
Jun 10, 2005 (9:39 am)
I saw it at the auto show and it looks much better in person, although I think I like the Fusion and Milan a little better.
If you view it as an entry level luxury car to compete with the Lexus ES330 I think it's quite competent. People buying these types of cars don't care about hp or manuals.
Ford seems to be playing it safe lately with new Lincolns. Neither the Zephyr or the Mark LT pickup truck offer much above and beyond their Ford and/or Mercury counterparts other than styling. My guess is they'll wait and see if it sells reasonably well and then add the differentiating features (more power, better suspensions, more gadgets) in year 2 or 3. Probably smart from a business standpoint but frustrating for customers who want one now.
#304 of 3084 Re: impressions [akirby]
Jun 10, 2005 (11:47 am)
You choose to call it "playing it safe," but I'm inclined to think it has more to do with what they can do for $1.85 or less.
Otherwise known as playing it cheap.
#305 of 3084 Re: impressions [akirby]
Jun 10, 2005 (11:50 am)
Allen, I saw the concept in person at the NY auto show a couple of years back but have not seen the production model in person, when you say you say "I saw it at the auto show" are you referring to the production model? I still see what appears to be distinquishing differences aside of the obvious.
#306 of 3084 Re: impressions [cdnpinhead]
Jun 10, 2005 (12:06 pm)
Steve, while the "LS" is not in this class I sure hope Lincoln learned from the presentation of that car with it's multiple foibles most all of which appear to have been resolved so that the Zephyr hopefully will not endure a repeat. Mechanically/electronically it will be mostly the same as Milan/Fusion so whatever affects one will undoubtedly affect all, playing it cheap when it comes to three models is certainly not good for Ford's longevity.
#307 of 3084 Re: impressions [cdnpinhead]
Jun 10, 2005 (12:39 pm)
I did mean playing it safe from a financial investment standpoint. If they put a lot of R&D into a new model like the Mark LT or the Zephyr and it doesn't sell, then they've wasted it. OTOH if they can test the market first and get enough sales then that will justify the additional R&D to add features. That's exactly what they did with the Navigator when it first came out.
I'm sure some of that logic was borne out of a very small budget to start with, however. So cheap probably applies as well.
#308 of 3084 Zephyr and Mark LT
Jun 10, 2005 (4:42 pm)
I saw my first Mark LT in the parking lot outside of a store today. I walked up to it and looked at it, and I was strangely unimpressed. It looked just like an F-150!!!! It didn't even have a good luxury aura. I was disappointed.
If Ford can make this more than a Fusion re-skin, it will sell. If not, it won't.
#309 of 3084 Re: impressions [buckwheat]
Jun 10, 2005 (5:03 pm)
Yes, the production model was at this year's auto shows. I saw it in Atlanta in April. It was not available to sit in - it was on a podium as was the Fusion and Milan.