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Re: They are seen [bigt] by gregg_vw
Sep 12, 2009 (12:54 pm)
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Replying to: bigt (Sep 12, 2009 3:46 am)

If you take the time to notice them. If you don't know what one is, and have no particular interest in Lincolns, it really blends in with the crowd. From a distance, it looks like a Fusion with a funny grill.
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2011 MKZ? by tiger16
Nov 24, 2009 (9:18 am)
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Re: 2011 MKZ? [tiger16] by akirby
Nov 24, 2009 (9:30 am)
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Replying to: tiger16 (Nov 24, 2009 9:18 am)

Yes.
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2011 MKZ? by tiger16
Nov 24, 2009 (9:33 am)
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Do any of you "insiders" know of plans for the 2011 MKZ? My plan was to get a 2010 something or other. After recently checking out all the prospects in this segment, I've eliminated the 2010 MKZ. IMO it's overpriced and doesn't measure up to the competition. I'm most interested in the ES and CTS, however, if the MKZ is having a major revison next year I might wait.
By the way, the 2010 MKZ has been out late April/early May and I have seen only one on the road. I didn't think it would sell well but, can sales be this bad? It's not like I'm out in the country somewhere either. I'm right in the middle of the Baltimore-Washington megalopolis. Just wondering if the poor sales might speed up a complete redo.
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Re: 2011 MKZ? [tiger16] by akirby
Nov 25, 2009 (5:36 am)
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Replying to: tiger16 (Nov 24, 2009 9:33 am)

I don't think the value on the 2011 will be any better and I don't expect major changes until the new platform is ready in 2012 or 2013. I do expect it to get the 3.7L engine and some new tech toys and possibly a new grille but that's about it.
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Does MKZ has start push button? by savetheland
Nov 28, 2009 (10:30 am)
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Does MKZ has keyless start push button? If not - does it use that little crappy Ford Fusion key made from cheap plastic with confusing buttons?
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Re: Does MKZ has start push button? [savetheland] by explorerx4
Nov 29, 2009 (2:15 pm)
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Replying to: savetheland (Nov 28, 2009 10:30 am)

what kind of key would you want it to be like? a replacement key is about $40.
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Re: Does MKZ has start push button? [explorerx4] by savetheland
Nov 29, 2009 (3:33 pm)
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Nov 29, 2009 2:15 pm)

All luxury cars and some non-luxury too, like Nissan, have keyless entry and start fobs.I.e. no mechanical key. At least as the option. I have nothing against physical keys, but it is now expected part of luxury experience, as well as dedicated well appointed dealerships with well trained personnel and free loaner cars.
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Re: Does MKZ has start push button? [savetheland] by gregg_vw
Nov 29, 2009 (4:57 pm)
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Replying to: savetheland (Nov 29, 2009 3:33 pm)

Maybe, but it is a gimmick. I have keyless go on my Suzuki SX4...hardly anywhere in the same universe as a luxury car. It is nice to have the key in my pocket and not have to insert it to open doors, start the car, open the hatch, etc., but the fob is still made of plastic (no matter how expensive your car), it contains a key you can remove to use in case for some reason the keyless go fails, and replacement if you lose it is several more times expensive. So I wouldn't write off a car if this wasn't on it, but that is just me. I do write off the MKZ for myself, because it isn't enough different from a loaded Fusion Sport to justify the price difference. However, given the poor sales of Lincolns (the Ford brand is responsible for FoMoCo's success lately), the real price difference is not all that much different. If you like the MKZ, go for it.
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Re: Does MKZ has start push button? [gregg_vw] by savetheland
Nov 29, 2009 (11:49 pm)
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Replying to: gregg_vw (Nov 29, 2009 4:57 pm)

Gimmick or not but MKZs are going to be sold at discount because it is not what truly luxury buyers expect. There is already $2000 cash back in CA. I checked - Acura TSX and Audi A4 do not have any discounts. Lincoln basically became a blue collar luxury brands. That means that buyer do not care much about service, amenities or prestige. They just want more comfortable and nicer trimmed Ford with different look. But that was Mission Mercury until recently. Until recently Lincoln was considered luxury marque above Mercury, but not anymore, now Lincoln is a replacement for Mercury.
 
BTW there is link to article about LM dealerships going away:
 
http://www.fomoconews.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3769
 
Below are some excerpts from article:
 
...Since Ford's dealership reduction efforts began in 2006, the number of stand-alone Lincoln-Mercury dealerships is down more than 42 percent. The biggest driver of the reduction has been the push for Lincoln-Mercury and Ford stores to merge in metro markets, something the automaker previously discouraged.
 
At the beginning of 2009, there were 357 Lincoln-Mercury stores in the United States, down from 619 three years prior.
 
Ford CEO Alan Mulally talked about the future of Lincoln and the stand-alone Lincoln-Mercury dealership with Associate Publisher Peter Brown, Editor Jason Stein and Staff Reporter Amy Wilson...
 
...I'll share a recent experience: I was driving a Lincoln MKS and visiting a stand-alone Ford store, and I was sitting in the car in front of the showroom for a few minutes. There was a salesman outside on the sidewalk right in front of this Lincoln MKS, and he starts talking it up to a customer, but then the punch line was: “Well, this is pretty much the same as the Taurus, the Taurus actually looks even better. I have the Taurus around the side, and it costs $10,000 less. Come look at the Taurus.”
 
That wasn't a Ford-Lincoln-Mercury store, but that salesman saw that Lincoln and he jumped right on it to use it as a sales tool.
 
"I understand. And the answer clearly is the brand promise. Maybe in the past, there hasn't been as much differentiation between a Lincoln and a Ford. But clearly with what we're doing going forward, that Lincoln product is going to be a more of a luxury brand promise. The whole bar's moving up because the Ford vehicles are getting better and all the luxury brands are getting better."
 
But part of the brand promise is the experience at the dealership.
 
"Most people that dual have an enhanced experience with the dealership, too, with the service. If you go to the ones that are really successful with that, they really provide the extra attention and care that the Lincoln buyers really expect and really value."
 
But you have to get them to buy the Lincolns first. And if the sales guy thinks it's easier to sell him the Ford, you're going to sell fewer Lincolns, won't you?
 
"I know your one example. But we've got a lot of people that are buying Lincolns, and they love Lincolns. The people that have dualed stores know they want to have an experience that fits the vehicle that they're selling, so they'll do it to be successful. They'll have two different experiences."...

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