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#2793 of 2865 Re: Jukebox and other Media [akirby] by tiger16 Apr 10, 2009 (9:52 am)
Replying to: akirby (Apr 10, 2009 9:09 am) akirby, do me a favor if you please. Also ask your inside source why MKZ only offers 7 exterior colors. I was set for dark blue with tan interior but, no blue is offered. It's kind of bizarre that at least 9 colors are offered on Fusion, Milan and MKS but, only 7 on the MKZ. Replies to this message: akirby (Apr 10, 2009 10:54 am)
#2794 of 2865 Re: Jukebox and other Media [tiger16] by akirby Apr 10, 2009 (10:54 am)
Replying to: tiger16 (Apr 10, 2009 9:52 am) My source is an engineer and wouldn't know about color choices - that's a marketing decision. They do that from time to time - drop a particular color. My guess is the dark blue didn't sell very well in the past.
#2795 of 2865 Re: Jukebox and other Media [akirby] by gregg_vw Apr 11, 2009 (7:01 am)
Replying to: akirby (Apr 10, 2009 9:09 am) And to be fair, gas mileage is still better than the 2006 Zephyr and 2007 MKZ. I suspect the 1 mpg doesn't translate into much difference in the real world, and it is probably due to the retuning to make the previous pokey 0-60 time (for a 263 hp engine) competitive with the ES350 et al.
#2796 of 2865 Re: About.com:cars review of the 2010 Lincoln MKZ [theman123] by gregg_vw Apr 11, 2009 (7:21 am)
Replying to: theman123 (Apr 09, 2009 1:58 pm) A good review and about what I would expect to be said about it..though I disagree that the new tail lights are ugly. I think they are quite an improvement over the previous ones, and have moved a bit closer to what Lincoln tail lights will look like on future models. That said, I do wish Ford would take the Hyundai approach (it was also the Lexus approach years ago) of giving near-Lexus quality and feel at a significantly lower price, in order to build recognition and market share of this model (then raising the price later). Giving more standard equipment at the same price doesn't necessarily accomplish the same thing. What is going to happen once again--as it does with most Ford products--is the expectation of large discounts when buying new, which markedly depresses resale value...and overall perception of the vehicle. Bottom line is, the MKZ is now nipping at Lexus heels, not surpassing it. Charge Lexus prices when Lincoln has actually changed the general perception of the buying public that it is as good or better than a Lexus. And that takes time. Replies to this message: displacedtexan (Apr 11, 2009 12:52 pm)
#2797 of 2865 Re: About.com:cars review of the 2010 Lincoln MKZ [gregg_vw] by displacedtexan Apr 11, 2009 (12:52 pm)
Replying to: gregg_vw (Apr 11, 2009 7:21 am) That seems like a reasonable and prudent approach.
#2798 of 2865 MKZ test drive by bobgwtw Apr 11, 2009 (7:08 pm)
#2799 of 2865 2010 Test drive by bobgwtw Apr 13, 2009 (8:34 pm)
Had an opportunity to drive the 10 MKZ this weekend. It's quiet & is actually enjoyable to drive on the curving, rolling secondary roads I had an opportunity to drive, as well as the interstate.The car had the sport suspension so it rode like they forgot to put the springs under it on anything but a smooth road. (I had just driven a Fusion Hybrid over the same route & it was as quiet or quieter than the Z. It handled as well & the ride was much, much better on the rough patches). Interior is nice & of decent quality, but a lot of the switchgear is placed so it's necessary to take your eyes off the road to operate it.   My one real complaint about the car is price. I want adaptive headlights, BU camera & the blindspot/cross traffic system that, after using them, I consider worthwhile safety additions, The only way I can get them on the Z is to buy packages containing items I don't want or need; and they push the sticker price to well over $40,000. This not a $40,000 car. A comparable Fusion, minus the adaptive headlights, with a less upscale interior lists for $11,000 less! This one is off my short list. Replies to this message: tiger16 (Apr 14, 2009 3:41 am) akirby (Apr 14, 2009 5:12 am) berad (Apr 23, 2009 7:57 am)
#2800 of 2865 Re: 2010 Test drive [bobgwtw] by tiger16 Apr 14, 2009 (3:41 am)
Replying to: bobgwtw (Apr 13, 2009 8:34 pm) In a previous post, I mentioned that Ford was careless with the pricing of the 2010 MKZ. IMO they have bumped up the price too much. They'll need big rebates to sell the car and that's not good for a car attempting to establish itself in this market segment. Another poster stated that the increase was in large part due to some items being made standard. I get that but, it doesn't change the fact that the price has gone up quite a bit. I think it a bit foolhardy for Ford to think that they can price the Z at the ES price point at this time especially when the Z is still lacking some of those refined touches that define such a car. As far as the options go, I too was frustrated when I went through the Z site and found that to get certain things, I had to order packages that included things I didn't want. If I didn't want them in the first place, I surely don't want to have to pay for them. I know other companies do the same thing, doesn't make it right. Making these things standalone options would help sales of the Z, IMO. I test drove the 07 and 08 Z and didn't like the ride. I thought it was a bit stiff. I would have no interest in the sport suspension. Glad they made that an option. Replies to this message: akirby (Apr 14, 2009 5:12 am) berad (Apr 23, 2009 7:57 am)
#2801 of 2865 Re: 2010 Test drive [tiger16] by akirby Apr 14, 2009 (5:12 am)
Replying to: tiger16 (Apr 14, 2009 3:41 am) They'll need big rebates to sell the car   And you know this how? Just because it seems overpriced to you doesn't mean other buyers feel the same.   Besides - Hermosillo is limited to about 300,000 Fusions, Milans and MKZs per year - total and the new Fusion and Milan should be able to sell almost that many on their own. Sounds like they decided to make the MKZ lower volume but higher profit. You may not like it but given the circumstances it sounds like the right business decision. I guess only time will tell.   If the Fulans can sell close to 300,000 units on their own then my guess would be that with the next redesign the MKZ will get all of the currently missing features plus 100% unique sheetmetal and possibly move to another plant. But that's probably 3 years out. Replies to this message: berad (Apr 23, 2009 7:57 am)
#2802 of 2865 2010 MKZ mileage by akirby Apr 14, 2009 (5:14 am)
My source says the gearing was changed for 2010 for better acceleration which dropped FE from 28 to 27 highway. As I said before 27 still matches the competition but acceleration is better than the 2009 model. Sounds like a decent tradeoff.

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